Lucy Letby press conference

[Viviennemary]

There is a press conference going on now trying to get Lucy Letby's conviction overturned. From what I read the guilty verdict was sound. All those ill babies dying when she was alone with them. Just a coincidence? Already been refused an appeal.

I'm sorry if you feel I am bullying you, it is certainly not the intention.

I’m really sorry you have had such a traumatic time with childbirth and a baby in the NICU.

That doesn’t excuse you calling us “ghouls” for wanting to ensure evidence based justice and safe convictions.

Don’t you think for your own mental wellness that perhaps you should not be reading threads that are on a topic that is so distressing to you? You have a choice to step away. Log off, put down the screen go and hug your baby and do something that makes you happy.

Ffs if you can accept a typo, it’s not correct and by going after typos rather than backing up what you’re spouting - just shows your weak argument

I was first in my family to go to university. Middle class as they come. Just like Letby, whose father’s occupation was finance manager.

Not really pertinent, but someone mentioned Mark mcdonald also represents Benjamin Green. I was quite young when he was arrested and looking it up now, there difference in evidence between his case & Letbys was striking. Green was basically caught red-handed and the circumstantial evidence against him accounted for just a small part of the case. There was plenty of solid evidence.

Even most convictions are not based on circumstantial evidence either. I think you don’t even know what it is tbh.

Most criminal convictions are based on circumstantial evidence, although it must be adequate to meet established standards of proof.

You had several posts deleted on the other thread for breaking talk guidelines.

Whilst anyone would have the utmost sympathy for what you have endured, it’s unreasonable to ask people not to fully discuss this case. It has potentially huge ramifications for all of us. If you can’t tolerate reading the various views, you have the option to not read them.

lol, he was not a finance manager! Her father was manager of a furniture shop and her mum was an accounting clerk.

@PinkTonic

She IS a convicted baby murderer.

You ARE defending her.

Sorry if these facts are troublesome.

A link to a dictionary definition of conviction does prove much

Did she actually murder any babies though?

He was a finance manager according to Wiki. I suspect if you asked him he’d be most upset at being labelled working class.

@LoremIpsumCici

Thanks you I will, I'm in floods of tears reading some of this. I'm off. X

Nope. Most convictions are not based on circumstantial evidence alone.

There is no new evidence

The evidence that existed was already examined by the prosecution and the defence

They both hired experts to interpret the evidence and she was found guilty

The judge has already said finding other people to contradict the evidence after the trial is not a reason to have a retrial!

Being a President doesn't mean that she did any of that. The College's CEO would be responsible. Modi had nothing to do with the College's actions. Her role along with the rest of the Board, was to set strategy, comply with charity regulations and have oversight of the overall operations to ensure the College's money was being spent appropriately. She would not have interfered with the review. The position of President is mostly to be a figurehead and ambassador.

Of course the College apologised, because Letby had been found guilty. But at the time there wasn't evidence of murder, there were suspicions. As the conviction is now in dispute and if we consider that there were no murders then the College's original review was the correct form of action.

Would you like to offer some proof?

Wiki is incorrect.

Would you? You’re the one spouting ridiculous rubbish.

Only she knows that.

Certainly nothing I have heard or read would lead me to question the decision of the juries and appeal courts.

I have. Obviously some people don’t like it.

You have not provided any proof whatsoever.

I have. You don’t like it. Where’s yours?

God help the people who end up at the mercy of a jury who in cases like this are so out of their depth academically & intellectually they may as well have been interpreting double Dutch with a sprinkling of Dothraki language thrown in for good measure.

I don't know if LL is innocent or guilty & I'm not in a position to judge. There are people who are in the position to judge cases like this & it's left to laymen with little or no understanding of the evidence put forward from both sides of the fence. I hope this dreadful mess is settled ASAP! Ultimately it's a disgrace & horrendously disrespectful to the families, the babies & all those involved.