Thread 14 Starmer - The Starmeristas Strike Back

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Current Tory's that is.

My belief in Starmer increases daily because although I don't agree with all his policies he speaks sense and passionately about his policies and what he aims to archive. I believe he has the best interests of the country at heart.

I actually find I like them more now than I did when they got in (I was feeling quite bleak) precisely because they did push through on things like the children and safeguarding bill rather than playing politics on it. Really really disappointed in Kemi Badenoch. The week before she was warbling on about sandwiches FGS.

Thank goodness. I reported that at the start and had a very weak response from MNHQ.

It's HQ's Achilles' Heel.

I feel like Brexit has been packed away as the big divisive issue and now the Far Right (or whatever they are OK with us calling them) need new drums to bang and new bandwagons . Really what they have done is gone rooting about in their cupboard and found some old dusty drums and oiled the wheels of a trusty old moral panic bandwagon.

In the thread about whether someone is far right or not, Brexit was not even mentioned.

Same here. I rarely report but I happened to see that thread. It was just so blatant!

Feeling pretty despondent about MN at the moment and trying to plan how to avoid all Orange 💩 things on Jan 20th!

I think is is a very good summary of the situation 👌🏻

DM is reporting that Cummings and Musk are plotting together

Other headlines mention Nine-jobs Nige and that Jeremy Clarkson is giving away Greenland and the UK

That one was dodgy from the start, hiding some far right (afd) views on immigration in with reasonable views.

The mask has totally slipped now.

Cummings and Musk 🙈🙈 - unbearable pair, but one quite intuitive and one quite rich! Though one isn't as bright or maybe as capable of implementing wild policies as he thinks and one can't always purchase what he wants - fingers crossed.
I don't think Cummings would imagine that following SYL was a good thing to get anywhere in the U.K. so see what musk starts to say re that. Cummings is obviously a behind the scenes disrupter and does take credit for Brexit so that's a bit worrying and I expect the campaign on sm against our gov't will continue - just to rile folk ala the referendum.

That thread is utterly bonkers. If someone I cared about started to make such ridiculous claims I would assume that they're losing their faculties a bit, repy with a non-committal "that's interesting and then move on to a more innocuous subject. Probably not the weather since that leads us back to climate change and then straight back to the bonkersness I wanted to steer away from in the first place.

About climate change, I read that Mel Gibson's house burned downed whilst he was on tv claiming climate change is a hoax

Not making light of the devastating situation in LA but if someone kind of deserved it

I'll respect anyone - politician or otherwise - who uses facts to advance their thinking and is willing to dig into those facts internally and defend them externally. It's entirely possible they may have an alternative way of looking at them which supports an alternative course of action.

Obviously no one is ever going to do evidence based policy. But there are small concession people can make wherever they reside (or believe they reside) on the political compass.

I still know some Brexit supporters. Not the cartoon characters we've seen on MN. But grown ups. They had some valid reasoning for their stance around the problems of smaller countries being strongarmed into unsuitable decisions. This most certainly isn't the Brexit they were looking for - but they admit that.

Cummings sees his role as the prophet for the antichrist from the book of revelations

Now I thought these supernatural baddies were supposed to be somehow inscrutable and (above all) not wrong. If Cummings really is the slipway to satan, the it seems he mistakenly thought Boris Johnson was the antichrist. Until it turned out that he could be destroyed with cake.

I wonder if shame-on-me-Cummings has goofed again ? Could it be that space Karen will be rendered impotent by triangular sandwiches ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beast_(Revelation)#:~:text=The%20Beast%20from%20the%20Earth,hand%20or%20in%20their%20forehead.%22

It certainly has.

Is it worth un-hiding it?

Have got most of them hidden now for my 'well-being'

I see MNHQ are taking a look behind the scenes on one thread. Good.

Yes, and even after it burnt down he has appeared on the US news gleefully spouting conspiracy theories about how the fire started. He is quite mad.

Mnhq have been very weak on their responses to the most blatant threads. The ones that start with faux outrage are an immediate give away. Another one this morning about cancel culture, but not currently going the way it was intended I think. It's reignited the gender debate currently, I'm watching for the op desperately trying to steer it back to anti Labour/democracy/ misinformation.

It's blatant.

Is that the poster who can't post links because they would get deleted?

It is good that HQ are looking into things behind the scenes.
None of us are really anonymous, unless you are capable of doing techy stuff like hacking and hiding your trail .
I suppose the question is whether or not it changes anything.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jan/12/uk-government-to-crack-down-on-mps-earning-extra-cash-from-media-firms

MPs would no longer be able to rake in huge sums that can see them more than double their ­parliamentary ­salaries by signing contracts with media outlets, under plans being ­considered by ministers.

The Observer has been told that ­talks on further ­tightening rules on MPs’ ­outside interests, ­including media contracts, will be started by leader of the House of Commons, Lucy Powell, at a hearing of the all-party standards committee on Tuesday.

She's started the cancel culture thread and is a legitimate poster.

The one that's been deleted is the Reform mouthpiece who wanted people to engage in discussion with her. Sadly lots of people gave her the attention she was looking for.

No surprise here, coughTeesside freeport cough

https://bsky.app/profile/implausibleblog.bsky.social/post/3lfkcn3tb422

Ben Houchen dismisses concern over Mark Zuckerberg removing fact checkers from Facebook saying,

"Fact checkers haven't been great, mainstream media organisations actively did cover up things like President Biden's mental decline"