Thread 14 Starmer - The Starmeristas Strike Back

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From the other angle, I am perplexed as to what is awful about Goodall? Have I missed something? Everyone knows many journalists have political leanings. We can like their work, their viewpoint, we can agree with them. Much as some might agree with Matthew Parris. He's hardly Owen Jones, or Rod Liddle.

PS -it is indeed an excellent article.

I don’t care if he’s the most left wing of all left wing journalists whoever left winged in print. He is right about this. The shift is shameful.

Managed to catch up and read this this morning.

That's a really good article. I feel very balanced and explains his viewpoint well backed up with facts.

It's such a shame we are in a time where people don't listen or read long articles - they'd rather believe an X post and take it at face value.

Something strange is happening on these boards at the moment. For long time there have been posters who I don't perceive to be genuine, posting to stir up trouble for Labour and have been in support of Putin.

Since the influx of Musk supporters, genuine or otherwise, a number of those original posters appear to be going into battle with the Musk ones. It's an interesting development watching familiar names seemingly change tack.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2wx9w47p9o

Home Secretary Yvette Cooper has said those who cover up or fail to report child sexual abuse could face professional or criminal sanctions under a new offence to be introduced this year.

The proposal was one of 20 recommendations made by Professor Alexis Jay following her seven year inquiry into child sexual abuse, which concluded in 2022.

Cooper said the change would be added to the Crime and Policing Bill this spring.

‘We stand by Jess’: Telford survivors criticise Musk’s attack on Phillips

Exclusive: Victims of male violence sign letter praising minister for devoting life to ‘fighting for women and girls’

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jan/07/jess-phillips-telford-survivors-musk-attack-letter-women-girls?

I thought Goodall's article was interesting and provided context.
If there are criticisms of the article I am happy to read them.

Annette Dittert for the German ARD (it's in German)

How Keir Starmer has had his best day so far yesterday by finally standing up to the emergence of a common UK/US online right, headed by the radicalised Musk.

https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/europa/grossbritannien-musk-starmer-100.html

Lewis Goodhall seems to be a nice young man who has a great relationship with his mother/family - hope @DuncinToffee 's DH doesn't get to hear you casting aspersions

Thank you for the excellent article Duncin. How long do we think before Jenrick moves to Reform?

I agree. The Conservative Party is off the scale.

Though it’s been coming a while; Powell got sacked for his comments, but Braverman notably didn’t after her baiting of the police as HOME SECRETARY regarding the attendance of Tommy Robinson and his supporters around the Cenotaph. Sunak should have sacked her.

Jenrick doing well out of all this isn’t he? Badenoch can never be as extreme, and I don’t think people will vote for her party while she leads it. All they are doing is conceding more and more of the centre ground.

Know what you mean - tho' the level of cray-cray on the Musk threads is a bit overwhelming and think some of the usual anti Labour/Starmer regulars were getting confused as to which side they are supposed to be supporting!!

Really hope he doesn't as it will give them 6 MPs and all the privileges that go with that

They are all just thirsty race baiters who like to predict race war, imminent collapse of the UK and with an interesting inability to understand any of its history.

I thought Starmer did very well; but it’s the same MO on Mumsnet as the riots, right down to the actual posts.

Quite honestly however I do think that the salient issue about gangs who abuse children and the recent convictions does show a very disturbing issue re the ethnicity of who is involved. When you look at the conviction profile then it’s very stark. The handling of offenders like this does need to change; and the consequences far tougher and internationally a lot more pressure placed on Pakistan to accept deportations. If that means no visas for a while so be it.

I abhor Musk. He should shut up. And Badenoch should condemn attacks of that sort. But this Labour outrage is tripe. As is Mr Goodall’s article.

This is, yet again, pure hypocrisy. In 2023 Labour ran attack ads, apparently approved by Starmer, that said that Sunak didn’t believe in jailing paedophiles. At the time, Phillips said the ads didn’t go far enough.

Starmer apparently authorised the ads and persisted with them despite internal party criticism.

This has been reported in the Mail. But here’s a Guardian link from the time:

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2023/apr/07/labour-defends-ad-claiming-sunak-doesnt-think-child-sex-abusers-should-be-jailed

BTW, I haven’t seen anything on this thread about Tulip Siddiq. I may have missed it, but I don’t think so. The story’s been reported in the FT and the Sunday Times. If that had been a Tory minister - in charge of financial anti-corruption, no less - Labour supporters would have been all over it, making accusations of stinky goings-on and corruption. Why so silent now?

If you had been reading the threads Labour/Starmer were criticised on here for those adverts at the time.

When you look at the conviction profile then it’s very stark.

What conviction profile?

I’m glad to hear that. But it’s not relevant to Starmer’s and the Labour Party’s hypocrisy and contrived outrage.

Tulip Sadiq has refered herself to ethics watchdog as reported by msm

Again, that’s jolly good. But it’s got nothing to do with the complete absence on this thread of any acknowledgment of the story or its possible implications.

Presumably the pie charts that are in the data article earlier in the thread. The one that shows 7% of CSA suspects are Asian and 83% are white.
For reference the respective %s of the UK population are 8.9% and 82%.

Start a thread then

Read my mind.

I could, sure. But since this thread, like all its predecessors and no doubt successors, is in chat, and is devoted to politics and current affairs (and cats), I thought I’d comment here.