Is it moral to leave tribes alone in the modern world?

[mids2019]

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/dec/22/exclusive-photographs-reveal-first-glimpse-of-uncontacted-amazon-community-massaco

Never really understood the reluctance for more intervention with remote people when they are citizens of Brazil and are therefore under the same laws as the rest of the Brazilian populace, have the same right to healthcare, education etc. Also they should have the right to vote in Brazil's democrqcy.

It just feels like a human zoo and sits badly with me.....

Your arrogance is akin to the Victorian wealthy white man who believed his way was the only way, that indigenous people are somehow lesser than the great imperialists....it's somewhat sickening and ignorant in this day and age. I don't think western society is particularly civilised, and I suspect this tribe has a far better community set up than most western societies. I don't agree with cameras being set up either. We should leave them alone and in peace, they are not there for western amusement to be studied like some rare specimen. The greatest concern should be protecting the Forrest and their home from the rapid destruction of deforestation.

The cameras are to prove to the logging companies and others that the indigenous people exist. A common argument made to justify stealing and destroying their land is that the peoples don’t exist.

I bet, left to their own devices, they raise their children a lot better than people in the so called "civilised" world.

it sounds like you feel they ought to be "rescued". They don't.

ETA - I cross-posted with your's @avaritablevampire

Morally wrong to get involved - let them be. West isn’t always best!

And when proved they exist, what better way to "fix" that than exterminating , sorry "introducing" them to the modern world?

OP plays right into that. She doesn't believe people like this should exist , rephrased as making them more like us and disguised as concern .

A shit in a foil wrapper , is still a shit, not chocolate.

Seems like someone trying to get a dissertation written for them.

Or maybe she's hoping to colonise people. Not sure

True, but she’s going to tank if all her sources are ‘Random on Mn, 21/12/24’.

Leave other people and their 'world' alone. Soon they'll be taking over their land "to help them develop", of course. Then we'll start crying and protesting when they come to ours. Also obviously, it's highly likely they have their own justice system and way of solving issues.

While we're at it, we should leave animals and their habitats alone and stop encroaching on their lives and lands without their consent (seeing as they can't).

This Is a good read about what happens when Westerners think that they can "save" uncontacted tribes. Spoiler: it goes badly.

I personally think there are quite a few researchers who are just interested in observing these tribes for academic interest and are very happy with the status quo that lets them watch them on cameras while staying "pure". It is zoo-like, sorry. I already said it's probably best for them to stay uncontacted but I don't think the researchers are purely motivated by selfless altruism.

Old Star Trek used to explore this question a lot by the way. There was a concept of the "Prime Directive" which was basically, until each planet's civilization naturally developed spaceflight capabilities, any contact with them was banned or had to be "undercover". Otherwise, the technology leap without accompanying cultural evolution of rules/customs to deal with it (imagine having modern machine guns suddenly dropped in without co-evolving gun laws at the same pace of technological development) would be too dangerous. There are several episodes which explicitly deal with the question of "what if our tech could save someone" OP - you might be interested!

This sounds really interesting. Where did you watch it and what was it called?

@OneAmberFinch Old Star Trek used to explore this question a lot by the way. There was a concept of the "Prime Directive" which was basically, until each planet's civilization naturally developed spaceflight capabilities, any contact with them was banned or had to be "undercover". Otherwise, the technology leap without accompanying cultural evolution of rules/customs to deal with it (imagine having modern machine guns suddenly dropped in without co-evolving gun laws at the same pace of technological development) would be too dangerous. There are several episodes which explicitly deal with the question of "what if our tech could save someone" OP - you might be interested!

The Prime Directive is alive and well in all iterations of Star Trek. But I am not sure that you have to "imagine having modern machine guns suddenly dropped in without co-evolving gun laws at the same pace of technological development" as a piece of science fiction. The USA does that quite adequately.

It'll be the Brehon laws - don't know what the programme was, but there's a lot of stuff on the internet.

From the candid photos of the tribe members, it is clear they are far healthier than your average Westerner.

Maybe they are debating whether to intervene and show us how to live healthy and productive lives?

So if tomorrow your GPs and hospitals are shut this is a better world? I find it fascinating that people do not think that things like the enlightenment, industrial revolution, the discovery of penicillin etc.etc. does not make out lived better in some fundamental sense

No comment on the fact that tribes who have had contact with the outside world , have had 90% of their populations decimated?

So if tomorrow your GPs and hospitals are shut this is a better world?

Ridiculous, arrogant and ignorant

Which version of morals are you using to appraise this issue, yours through the lens of a white western viewpoint?
In this day and age I doubt very much that there is any remote tribe that is wholly unaware of the existence of the 'outside world'. They will have had some contact even if minimal. There are tribes who once they become aware of the outside world make moves to access that world. And there are other tribes who decide to reject it and stick to their own ways. Each view should be respected.

But what gives you the right to interfere in other cultures? What makes you believe they would be better off for developed world involvement?
They may not need antibiotics or any other medical assistance.
They may not choose to sit 8 hours in A&E and rather make their own medicine.
I feel rather envious of them tbh.

They should also have the right to remain isolated if that’s what they choose.

Did they only brought good things though...

Easy. They will have forced access to local healthcare so they shall be saved!

Penicillin would probably be really beneficial to them for treating infected wounds. All our various common cold/flu/covid/chickenpox (herpes) type viruses would likely be a death sentence. It’s not easy to give access to one without the other.

Personally I think @mids2019 is on the wind up.
On another thread they are telling people to respect other cultures when celebrating Christmas yet here they're trying to impose their views on a tribe that didn't even ask for them!!