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DD has been stuck on the M5 for 6 hours

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GinForBreakfast · 18/12/2024 22:05

I know there's been a serious incident but you can't leave people stuck on a motorway for 6 hours. That will include elderly people and tiny children. In other countries they manage to clear the roads far quicker.

No sign of anything moving and even once she does she's still 4 hours from home.

OP posts:
CassandraWebb · 18/12/2024 23:49

DoctorAngelface · 18/12/2024 23:42

I'd be in a terrible state if I got stuck for six hours. I've got a fully kitted out boot but there's nothing I could bring that would compensate for the impact on my health conditions.

It really is reasonable to be concerned about those people. I've spoken to so many people who are utterly miserable and experiencing really terrible inconveniences due to being delayed on the road. I've heard some really sad stories from people over the years. (And no, they weren't all unprepared idiots. There are plenty of things that can happen on the road that no one can prepare for.)

Exactly. Other people may have been on the roads for all sorts of devastating or sad reasons.

Some may have been driving to hospital themselves, either with an ill person in the car or to try and get to a loved one who is desperately unwell

I've been on the motorway with two tiny children fleeing my ex with only the clothes on our back. I've been on the motorway going to my dying relative. I've been on the motorway trying to get to my young son who was fighting for his life in an ambulance. Not everyone on a motorway is heading out for a totally frivolous shopping trip.

EconomyClassRockstar · 18/12/2024 23:50

Other countries DO sort traffic out quicker but that's because other countries are much larger than what is a relatively small island that has a massive population so they have more alternative route availability.

Hope DD is home soon.

wombat15 · 18/12/2024 23:51

I've been stuck in a lot of traffic over the years due to accidents but the priority has to be the people involved in the accident. Being delayed for a few hours is nothing in comparison.

RosesAndHellebores · 18/12/2024 23:52

Such a shame it takes a tragedy to focus minds. Sincere condolences to the bereaved family and also to posters who have been bereaved I am so sorry.

We have a breakdown kit and a first aid kit in the car. And a phone charger. Tomorrow I'll pop a blanket and a shewee in the car.

I don't take any meds where harm would be caused if I missed them for 48 hours.

Can't most healthy adults survive for ten hours without food and water? Different for children of course.

oakleaffy · 18/12/2024 23:53

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 18/12/2024 23:49

If the M5 is closed because someone fell from a bridge, it will need an inquest to determine cause of death (was victim pushed, was it suicide, was it an accident?) and evidence must be collected. Article Two means that suicides must themselves be investigated because there's a possibility that a public official failed to act to prevent it.

So absolutely the evidence gathering will take a lot of time, because the police only have one chance to collect the evidence. It's not like the police can go back later after thousands of cars have driven through the site.

ETA: just seen that the victim is alive and in hospital. I hope that she makes a full recovery and I hope that it was an accident as being the least-worst of the three possibilities.

Edited

Thankfully the young girl is alive as far as news is reporting. She's in a hospital.
However, there could have been a very bad crash as motorists will have braked and swerved.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 18/12/2024 23:53

RosesAndHellebores · 18/12/2024 23:52

Such a shame it takes a tragedy to focus minds. Sincere condolences to the bereaved family and also to posters who have been bereaved I am so sorry.

We have a breakdown kit and a first aid kit in the car. And a phone charger. Tomorrow I'll pop a blanket and a shewee in the car.

I don't take any meds where harm would be caused if I missed them for 48 hours.

Can't most healthy adults survive for ten hours without food and water? Different for children of course.

"Survive" isn't the same as "will be fine with no adverse consequences". Dehydration ls a major migraine trigger for me.

Whiskeyandkittens · 18/12/2024 23:53

We're going on a journey involving several motorways (including the M5) on Saturday so thanks to this thread will make sure to take some emergency supplies!

My thoughts are with the girl involved and her family.

Mountainhowl · 18/12/2024 23:54

Out of interest (if anyone works in road management and would know), would a motorcyclist be allowed to ride up and down the tailbacks giving out supplies, taking a pillion up to the nearest services and back etc?

I don't have a motorbike (one day), but if I did and was close to the incident I would want to do this if it was allowed

samarrange · 18/12/2024 23:54

When I read that a motorway has been closed for several hours I do sometimes wonder exactly what they are doing, but I tend to assume that these people know their job, until I get evidence to the contrary. The alternative seems to become one of those people in the pub for whom everyone else is incompetent and who has the answer to everything (usually "a good kick up the backside") but has never actually had to make anything work.

We occasionally have to accept that convenience and safety are going to be somewhat in conflict with each other. In the 1970s there were several horrific motorway pile-ups that started as minor collisions in poor visibility. Then after a serious of other transport-related disasters (Herald of Free Enterprise, Marchioness, Clapham Junction, etc) we got the health and safety culture of today.

The problem is that when that culture gets in your way it's "elf 'n' safety gorn mad", but when it saves your life, you don't know about it. This is something called the "prevention paradox". We are seeing this now in the form of Covid revisionism: "The lockdowns weren't necessary, I never caught it". When taken to extremes this leads to "Why do we need the polio vaccine? Nobody ever gets polio!", which seems to be the actual position of several people in the incoming US administration. 🤦‍♂️

Anyone who has been on holiday abroad will have noticed that other countries, even rich ones, do not seem to have quite the same attention to H&S as the UK. So perhaps the French do spend less time gathering evidence after a crash, and can open the motorway sooner. But these are choices you make as a society.

Perhaps today's crash was caused by reckless driving. Would we want that prosecuted? How would we feel if someone had died, and then we read in a few months that the driver got off with just a fine for an out-of-date MOT because the police had not had time to collect the relevant evidence from the scene?

Here's something I learned recently: If there's a crash in the dark, the police can tell whether you were driving without lights, because the filament in the bulb is cold and brittle and will break from the impact. Whereas if your lights were on, the filament is hot and springy, and will not break. So a conviction could turn on the police being able to find a headlight bulb in the dark on a wet and windy evening on the motorway.

So yeah, sometimes things go wrong, and you need a plan B. But at least OP's daughter is only in one of the cars in the queue, and not having to be cut out of one at the head of it.

wombat15 · 18/12/2024 23:55

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 18/12/2024 23:53

"Survive" isn't the same as "will be fine with no adverse consequences". Dehydration ls a major migraine trigger for me.

So carry water in your car.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 18/12/2024 23:57

‘ think they are less competent than e.g. France which manages to clear motorways far, far quicker.’

There are large sections of motorways in France which are péage, so are much less crowded than our free to use roads. Escape roads are easier to provide when land is under less pressure of usage ( and compulsory purchase by local authorities is far easier to achieve).

Even so, the Bison Futé ( traffic jams) on the motorways are notorious in peak season, near where we lived there was one which lasted eleven hours. You can’t just move cars when there is no road for them to use.

samarrange · 18/12/2024 23:57

Mountainhowl · 18/12/2024 23:54

Out of interest (if anyone works in road management and would know), would a motorcyclist be allowed to ride up and down the tailbacks giving out supplies, taking a pillion up to the nearest services and back etc?

I don't have a motorbike (one day), but if I did and was close to the incident I would want to do this if it was allowed

Cars stuck in traffic take up about 6 metres each. On a 3-lane motorway that's about 800 cars per mile. You'd need a lot of motorcyclists, and the service station would need a lot of sandwiches.

Otterparty · 18/12/2024 23:57

I have a camping toilet pot thing in my boot, first aid kit, blanket and water. Driving instructor told me always have big coat too…someone actually crashed into her recently and she didn’t have her coat and was kicking herself as was freezing standing out in the cold.

I’ve been stuck for hours sadly when there’s been a fatality but much sadder to be the reason behind the closure than to be in it. Hope your dd can get home soon. By her an emergency supplies kit for the car for Christmas and give her a big hug.
Hope the poor girl involved recovers and get the support she needs.

I think I’ll top up supplies:
ive had a car emergency triangle kit on my should buys list for a while and some long lasting snacks seem a good idea. And spare glasses (usually do have a pair in the car but should leave a dedicated car pair!)

Yellowbananasarebetterthangreen · 18/12/2024 23:58

bert3400 · 18/12/2024 22:41

Can they not get 1 lane moving...6+ hours is an awful long time especially if you need medication or have small children with no provision. I'm not trying to belittle the awful situation that's happened but surely there must be a better way ?

If they thought that was possible Bert they would be doing it. The police etc dont like causing chaos, holding up the traffic anymore than the travelling public like it. Its a dangerous and stressful situation for them, plus probably hours of unscheduled overtime.
Maybe you should consider a career change cos you clearly think you know how it could be done better.

Teenagehorrorbag · 18/12/2024 23:58

Not sure they are better abroad. My DSis and her family went skiing a few years ago and got snowbound on a main road in France. She and her DH, and two teenage DSs had to sleep in the car all night.

Shit happens......

Hope your DD gets home OK.

Otterparty · 18/12/2024 23:59

Oh in summer I also carry suncream and uv umbrella as if you break down they tell you to get out the car and wait on the verge for safety and don’t want to burn/get heat stroke if there’s no shade.

Mountainhowl · 18/12/2024 23:59

Otterparty · 18/12/2024 23:57

I have a camping toilet pot thing in my boot, first aid kit, blanket and water. Driving instructor told me always have big coat too…someone actually crashed into her recently and she didn’t have her coat and was kicking herself as was freezing standing out in the cold.

I’ve been stuck for hours sadly when there’s been a fatality but much sadder to be the reason behind the closure than to be in it. Hope your dd can get home soon. By her an emergency supplies kit for the car for Christmas and give her a big hug.
Hope the poor girl involved recovers and get the support she needs.

I think I’ll top up supplies:
ive had a car emergency triangle kit on my should buys list for a while and some long lasting snacks seem a good idea. And spare glasses (usually do have a pair in the car but should leave a dedicated car pair!)

Good point! It never seems quite that many when you're in the middle of it but that makes sense!

Whoops quoted wrong post, sorry!

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 19/12/2024 00:02

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Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Shaming suicidal people as "selfish" about the methods they chose or are contemplating is counterproductive.

Often, people consider themselves a burden to others and are committing suicide by what they perceive as the most reliable method available to them for a very unselfish reason: to remove the burden they perceive themselves to be.

If someone is so distressed that they are attempting to end their own life and you're more bothered about your train being late, then frankly you are contributing to the deeply counterproductive attitudes held by so many people towards suicide.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 19/12/2024 00:04

wombat15 · 18/12/2024 23:55

So carry water in your car.

I do. The point I was making is not what you think I made.

user1473878824 · 19/12/2024 00:04

Guest100 · 18/12/2024 22:09

I would have abandoned my car. Can you pick her up?

You’d have completely blocked a road until you can be bothered to come back, making everyone else stuck.

And you want to know if her mum can pick her up from static traffic on the M5.

Are you ok?

BadLad · 19/12/2024 00:07

Guest100 · 18/12/2024 22:09

I would have abandoned my car. Can you pick her up?

Up there with the stupidest posts ever made on Mumsnet.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 19/12/2024 00:09

Mountainhowl · 18/12/2024 23:54

Out of interest (if anyone works in road management and would know), would a motorcyclist be allowed to ride up and down the tailbacks giving out supplies, taking a pillion up to the nearest services and back etc?

I don't have a motorbike (one day), but if I did and was close to the incident I would want to do this if it was allowed

The "hard shoulder" emergency lane is so that if someone with diabetes runs out of sugar tablets or dehydration triggers an epileptic seizure or a pregnant woman goes into labour during an event like this, an ambulance can drive down the hard shoulder past the standing traffic, get that person from their car, and drive them to appropriate medical attention.

It's not a motorcycle lane for some kind of bastard offspring of Deliveroo and the Cold War Civil Defence units to ferry sandwiches.

samarrange · 19/12/2024 00:09

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 18/12/2024 23:57

‘ think they are less competent than e.g. France which manages to clear motorways far, far quicker.’

There are large sections of motorways in France which are péage, so are much less crowded than our free to use roads. Escape roads are easier to provide when land is under less pressure of usage ( and compulsory purchase by local authorities is far easier to achieve).

Even so, the Bison Futé ( traffic jams) on the motorways are notorious in peak season, near where we lived there was one which lasted eleven hours. You can’t just move cars when there is no road for them to use.

Even so, the Bison Futé ( traffic jams) on the motorways are notorious in peak season,

With apologies for the nerdy derail: A traffic jam in French is an "embouteillage" or a "bouchon", both of which imply a blockage in the neck of a bottle. Bison Futé ("smart bison") is the branding of the service run by the French national road agencies that advises people how to avoid the jams. The name is derived from the fact that the recommended alternative routes are known as the "Itinéraires bis", where "bis" implies "secondary" or "double". It was invented in 1975, when going from "bis" to "bison" was about as creative as government departments got.

CassandraWebb · 19/12/2024 00:10

RosesAndHellebores · 18/12/2024 23:52

Such a shame it takes a tragedy to focus minds. Sincere condolences to the bereaved family and also to posters who have been bereaved I am so sorry.

We have a breakdown kit and a first aid kit in the car. And a phone charger. Tomorrow I'll pop a blanket and a shewee in the car.

I don't take any meds where harm would be caused if I missed them for 48 hours.

Can't most healthy adults survive for ten hours without food and water? Different for children of course.

I can go about 4 hours between tablets. I can only take a few a day. After that the only thing I can do is lie down (yes my life is pretty slow paced as a consequence)

I expect I am not the only person who is parenting, working, getting on with life but who would become rapidly ill if stuck in a car for more than a couple of hours.

I don't head out in bad weather for this reason.

But there's little I can do to prepare for a random event. Packing more medicine wouldn't help as once I have had my doses for the day I can't have more. I call them my Cinderella drug as I have to get home before the last one wears off.

And it's quite a serious situation if I don't rest as soon as I need to - I lose the ability to speak, see or swallow. That's not being dramatic, or lacking resilience. It's just a basic fact of my condition.

another1bitestheduck · 19/12/2024 00:10

GinForBreakfast · 18/12/2024 22:09

She can't move to get to a hotel!

I thought it was pretty obvious the poster was suggesting the hotel for when she finally gets off the motorway, rather than driving the 4 hours afterwards.

Although tbf as a suggestion its not as easy as that, as you don't know whether she'll be able to move forwards or have to turn around and divert back.

I've been the emergency services at the scene on accidents like this btw - believe me nobody is extending it for longer than they have to. If you think it's miserable sitting in your car for hours try standing freezing in the rain while lorry drivers come up and threaten to drive over you....

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