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Letter re banning school skirts

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spottedinthewilds · 18/12/2024 11:22

Has anyone here written a letter to their school regarding banning of school skirts?

Our school have not yet banned school skirts that appear to be disguising this ban by offering different school uniform options. Most of which do not have a skirt option.

I have quite strong feelings against this as I feel that as a school educating young people they should be concentrating on educating their pupils about misogyny and the reasons why they feel school skirt should be banned.

Without wishing to dive into a trans debate, I feel that the trans issue is already eroding women's rights and feel that this is just another step in the wrong direction.

I agree that I am not the best person to word this letter well and wondered whether anyone here has written a similar letter to their school regarding this issue.

If so, would you be kind enough to share all or part of it with me so that I can put together something that I feel makes my point?

OP posts:
Needmorelego · 18/12/2024 13:05

@MrsPeregrine because so many girls can't manage to wear their skirts correctly.
If they all wore them correctly no one would need to ban them.

SnoopySantaPaws · 18/12/2024 13:05

spottedinthewilds · 18/12/2024 11:34

But if a girl wants to wear a short skirt then why shouldn't they?

I don't personally want to wear a short skirt and nor does my child.

However, this is probably my point. Why should girls not wear short skirts? We should be educating young people that by wearing a short skirt it does not give somebody right to abuse or harass them .

Because the teachers don't want to see their knickers all day & be accused of being perverts. The school don't want be thought badly of when the girls are wearing the uniform in this way.

it makes no sense for the school to be basing this on trans issues. Where did you get that idea from??

uniform/non uniform, it's all a ball ache with teenagers wanting to express themselves (attract each other) t'was ever thus.

TwixForTea · 18/12/2024 13:06

@Reetpetitenot I don’t think it’s really about getting boys to stare at your arse. My dd goes to a huge all girls school and they all wear the shortest skirts imaginable. My dd only encounters boys at DofE and Tae Kwondo, so it’s joggers or kit and she isn’t bothered by looking cute for boys (she is nearly 15).

And high denier tights in winter are worn so actually not a lot is on show, it’s more like leggings with a frill.

And in summer they all wear shorty Lycra shorts underneath so again no knickers on show.

it’s more of a fashion statement, a nod at breaking a rule, not a statement of sexual liberation

onwardsup4 · 18/12/2024 13:07

FartingAgainstThunder · 18/12/2024 11:41

How things have changed.
I fought (and won) for the right to not be made to wear a skirt to school.

But I suppose by the same token the option to choose to wear a skirt should still be there but I couldn't get worked up about it in the same way I did about not being able to choose trousers.

Haha this ! We did a petition and protest to be allowed to wear trousers in 1995.
Op I think you're off the mark trying to turn this into a feminist issue, being forced to wear a skirt certainly is though!

vibratosprigato · 18/12/2024 13:07

Why shouldn't girls wear short skirts to school? Because it isn't appropriate in the environment. It isn't misogynistic to accept that certain clothing choices are only acceptable in certain situations.

Bikinis are a fantastic choice for a beach, not so much for attending church. Skin tight leggings are great for the gym, not so appropriate for the office. Bum covering bodycon dresses/skirts can look wonderful in a nightclub, not in a classroom.

MrsPeregrine · 18/12/2024 13:08

Needmorelego · 18/12/2024 13:02

@MrsPeregrine that's what a lot of work places do. Make everyone look the same.
It's called a uniform 🤷

Oh come off it. Anyone who works in an office can wear what they want as long as it’s relatively smart. Restaurant or shop - yes, but most offices no. If my employer told me I’m no longer allowed to wear skirts or dresses I would laugh out loud and look for another job.

KnickerlessParsons · 18/12/2024 13:09

From Chat GPT

Allowing girls the option of wearing a skirt as part of a uniform policy promotes individual choice, respects personal identity, and supports inclusivity. Uniforms are designed to create a sense of unity, but they should also accommodate individual preferences and comfort within that framework. For some girls, skirts may feel more comfortable or align better with their sense of style and identity, contributing to their confidence and well-being.

Furthermore, providing the option of skirts acknowledges cultural, religious, or personal values that might favor more traditional or feminine attire. It also demonstrates a school’s commitment to respecting diversity, fostering an environment where students feel seen and valued. By giving girls the choice, schools uphold the principles of fairness and equality, allowing students to express themselves while adhering to a unified dress code.

Ultimately, a flexible policy that includes skirts enhances inclusivity without compromising the integrity of the uniform.

ItOnlyTakesTwoMinutes · 18/12/2024 13:09

spottedinthewilds · 18/12/2024 11:27

To confirm I strongly believe that girls should be able to wear skirts at school.

Skirts seem very outdated. I’m not sure about this.

losingweightandgainingconfidence · 18/12/2024 13:09

@MrsPeregrine but would you wear a skirt to work that's so short you can see your knickers?

No. The issue is girls won't listen to the rules and parents won't enforce them.

MrsPeregrine · 18/12/2024 13:09

vibratosprigato · 18/12/2024 13:07

Why shouldn't girls wear short skirts to school? Because it isn't appropriate in the environment. It isn't misogynistic to accept that certain clothing choices are only acceptable in certain situations.

Bikinis are a fantastic choice for a beach, not so much for attending church. Skin tight leggings are great for the gym, not so appropriate for the office. Bum covering bodycon dresses/skirts can look wonderful in a nightclub, not in a classroom.

News flash - not all skirts are short…

QuickDenimDeer · 18/12/2024 13:10

It’s a tricky subject. I know that when I was at school I would hitch up my skirt and not think twice about it, but if I had a teenage daughter would I think it to have too many inappropriate sexual connotations?

On the practical side of things are trousers warmer in winter? More practical for movement? Better for modesty?

Then I think that outright banning skirts would be one step away erasing the gender side of clothing, but only for girls, which would be sexist. If the motivation was for modesty then we could be one step away from policing how women dress in general to appease the needs of men.

BrightonFrock · 18/12/2024 13:10

MrsPeregrine · 18/12/2024 13:04

Because children have worn school uniform in this country for years without issue. It’s only in recent years that certain voices have been calling for skirts to be banned. Why skirts? What next? Cardigans?

And for years girls did PE in their vests and knickers. That was changed too.

MrsPeregrine · 18/12/2024 13:11

losingweightandgainingconfidence · 18/12/2024 13:09

@MrsPeregrine but would you wear a skirt to work that's so short you can see your knickers?

No. The issue is girls won't listen to the rules and parents won't enforce them.

Then in that situation yes, make those girls wear trousers and send them home if they turn up in a short skirt. Why should the majority lose the option to wear a skirt because of the ones who ignore the rules?

losingweightandgainingconfidence · 18/12/2024 13:11

KnickerlessParsons · 18/12/2024 13:09

From Chat GPT

Allowing girls the option of wearing a skirt as part of a uniform policy promotes individual choice, respects personal identity, and supports inclusivity. Uniforms are designed to create a sense of unity, but they should also accommodate individual preferences and comfort within that framework. For some girls, skirts may feel more comfortable or align better with their sense of style and identity, contributing to their confidence and well-being.

Furthermore, providing the option of skirts acknowledges cultural, religious, or personal values that might favor more traditional or feminine attire. It also demonstrates a school’s commitment to respecting diversity, fostering an environment where students feel seen and valued. By giving girls the choice, schools uphold the principles of fairness and equality, allowing students to express themselves while adhering to a unified dress code.

Ultimately, a flexible policy that includes skirts enhances inclusivity without compromising the integrity of the uniform.

Also from ChatGPT, it'll spit out whatever you want it to

The idea of banning skirts in schools is not about restricting individual expression but about addressing practical concerns related to safety, equality, and comfort in a school setting. Below are several key considerations in favor of this position:
1. Ensuring Student Safety
Skirts can make students more vulnerable to harassment or inappropriate behavior, both within and outside the school environment. In public spaces or during commutes, skirts may draw unwanted attention, particularly for younger students who may not yet fully understand or handle such situations. Schools have a responsibility to prioritize the safety and well-being of their students, and a uniform that minimizes exposure to such risks can contribute to this goal.
Furthermore, in mixed-gender schools, skirts sometimes invite challenges such as “skirt-flipping” or other inappropriate actions from peers, which can lead to embarrassment or anxiety for the affected students. Eliminating skirts reduces the possibility of such incidents and promotes a safer and more respectful environment.
2. Promoting Practicality and Comfort
From a practical standpoint, skirts are often less functional than trousers or other uniform options, especially in situations that require physical activity. For example, students participating in playground games, physical education classes, or extracurricular activities may find skirts restrictive or cumbersome. During colder weather, skirts can also be impractical and uncomfortable, potentially impacting a student’s ability to focus and perform well in school.
Offering trousers or other uniform options instead of skirts ensures that all students are dressed in a way that supports their comfort and mobility, allowing them to fully engage in school life without unnecessary distractions or discomfort.
3. Reducing Gender Stereotypes
The expectation for girls to wear skirts as part of their school uniforms can reinforce outdated gender norms and stereotypes. Skirts have historically been associated with traditional notions of femininity, which may no longer align with the values of modern, inclusive societies. Removing skirts from the uniform standard can help challenge these stereotypes, emphasizing that all students, regardless of gender, are held to the same expectations and are equally capable of participating in all aspects of school life.
For transgender or non-binary students, being required to wear gender-specific clothing such as skirts can be particularly distressing. Banning skirts as part of a move toward gender-neutral uniforms promotes inclusivity and sends a message of acceptance to all students, irrespective of how they identify.
4. Minimizing Socioeconomic Disparities
Skirts, particularly those specified as part of official uniforms, can sometimes be more expensive or difficult to source than alternative options like trousers. Families from lower-income backgrounds might find it easier to access or afford gender-neutral uniform items, which are often more durable and versatile. By standardizing the uniform to exclude skirts, schools can reduce financial pressures on families and ensure that all students can access affordable, practical clothing.
5. Creating a Focused Learning Environment
Uniform policies are intended to create a sense of equality and minimize distractions in the classroom. Skirts, however, can sometimes become a source of distraction—for instance, if students are concerned about their appearance or are self-conscious about their clothing during certain activities. A more uniform approach to school dress codes, without skirts, helps ensure that the focus remains on education rather than attire.
6. Cultural Sensitivities and Inclusivity
In multicultural societies, some students or families may object to skirts on religious or cultural grounds. For example, certain cultures and faiths encourage modest dress, which skirts might not adequately provide. Offering trousers or other uniform alternatives as the standard can ensure that students from all backgrounds feel comfortable and respected while adhering to school policies.

Addressing Potential Concerns

Critics of banning skirts may argue that such a policy limits personal expression or disproportionately impacts girls. However, this concern can be mitigated by ensuring that the alternative uniform options are gender-neutral and designed to provide all students with a sense of equality and individuality. Schools can also engage in discussions with parents, students, and educators to ensure that any policy changes are made with sensitivity and inclusivity in mind.

Conclusion

Banning skirts in schools is not a move against individual freedoms but a step toward promoting a safer, more practical, and inclusive learning environment. By prioritizing the comfort, mobility, and security of all students, schools can create a more equitable and focused educational setting that supports students’ overall well-being.

BarbaraHoward · 18/12/2024 13:11

MrsPeregrine · 18/12/2024 12:53

Why shouldn’t pupils be allowed to wear a skirt if they want to though? Who will it offend?

Who said anything about offending anyone? Confused

Personally I'd be fine with a choice, but I do resent sending my 6yo off every day in a pinafore, tie and impractical shoes. Secondary uniforms aren't much better.

I wouldn't have a problem with skirts being taken away as an option though.

BrightonFrock · 18/12/2024 13:11

MrsPeregrine · 18/12/2024 13:09

News flash - not all skirts are short…

But that poster was specifically replying to the question “Why shouldn’t girls wear short skirts to school?”

SallyWD · 18/12/2024 13:12

MrsPeregrine · 18/12/2024 13:08

Oh come off it. Anyone who works in an office can wear what they want as long as it’s relatively smart. Restaurant or shop - yes, but most offices no. If my employer told me I’m no longer allowed to wear skirts or dresses I would laugh out loud and look for another job.

But would you go to the office in a skirt so short and tight that your knickers are on display? This is how some girls are dressing at school.

MrsPeregrine · 18/12/2024 13:12

BrightonFrock · 18/12/2024 13:10

And for years girls did PE in their vests and knickers. That was changed too.

Ok then, let’s just all wear the same and be boring.

MotherJessAndKittens · 18/12/2024 13:12

Do you mean secondary’s?

losingweightandgainingconfidence · 18/12/2024 13:13

@MrsPeregrine if you do it on a case by case basis the teachers' time will be taken up by measuring skirts and dealing with that. A blanket ban sorts it out.

MrsPeregrine · 18/12/2024 13:13

SallyWD · 18/12/2024 13:12

But would you go to the office in a skirt so short and tight that your knickers are on display? This is how some girls are dressing at school.

See my reply at 13:11

BrightonFrock · 18/12/2024 13:13

MrsPeregrine · 18/12/2024 13:12

Ok then, let’s just all wear the same and be boring.

You’re literally describing what school uniform is! 😆

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 18/12/2024 13:14

losingweightandgainingconfidence · 18/12/2024 12:38

@SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius perhaps if you had been made to wear them, you wouldn't be so insecure?

I was forced to wear trousers at work (I was an operating theatre nurse and had to wear scrubs), and even when I had trousers that fitted, I still hated it, looked awful and had no confidence, @losingweightandgainingconfidence. Same thing when I was in a choir where the women’s uniform was black trousers and top, and I was choosing my own trousers, so could try to get a good fit.

I have never found a pair of trousers that looked flattering on me. Never. Every single pair I have ever tried made me look lumpy and dumpy, and knocked what minuscule amount of confidence I had for six.

Being forced to wear ill fitting trousers at school would have been the final straw. I was having suicidal thoughts by my mid teens, due to the bullying - if it had been any worse, I might have acted on them.

SallyWD · 18/12/2024 13:15

MrsPeregrine · 18/12/2024 13:13

See my reply at 13:11

Well schools do try to enforce this. Our school has a rule that skirts should be knee length. I don't think a single girl wears knee length skirts. So what should the schools do - send 99% of girls home, start measuring skirts?

kelsaycobbles · 18/12/2024 13:15

If it's for persistent rule breaking wearing skirts too short then trousers seems the sensible option

And yes too short - more appropriate to going out than going to study / work is a judgement / value thing but if it makes the female teachers uncomfortable then it's probably too short

Never been in an office with skirts as shirt and revealing as I see in some high school kids. Who wants to have to avert their gaze to avoid seeing someone's knickers ? I shouldn't have to take avoiding action, seeing knickers isn't society appropriate