Assisted Dying Bill tomorrow.

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I really hope this goes ahead.

I'm from a family who die from cancer. It's a genetic thing. Over the years I've watched numerous loved ones die from this cruel and ravaging disease. It has taken a massive toll on us. From PTSD to immense guilt, complicated grief and fear of the future.

Not all of my family would have accessed Assisted Dying, but I know some did want it and requested it in the weeks / days leading to their death. They should have had the option of shortening their suffering. Having witnessed what they went through, I want that option for myself.

I want it for my mother. For the past 20 years she has told me when she wants out and how I will have to help her achieve it. I don't want to. She apologises for putting it on me. She shouldn't have to.

No one will be saved if this Bill is stopped, but fear and suffering will be reduced.

He was raised multiple times in the debate today from MPs who were either doctors or had heard from doctors (on both sides) saying that shipman had changed the way they manage palliative care

I'm confused...is it about sparing people from suffering or saving money?

Well in the World I'm living in there isn't an unlimited amount of money to pay for everything.

So it's sparing people from suffering if I decide not to want to use expensive, limited, medical resources to keep me alive when I don't want or need them, and someone else can benefit from them instead.

Nothing to be confused about. The only think confusing is why you want me not to have this choice.

But if part of the reason is to save money and resources then the only natural consequence from that is to criticise those who do want to live for "wasting" money which in itself is quite coercive.

Those of us that want this choice aren't criticising others for making their own choices at the end of their life, or taking them away from them.

How much more coercive than legislating to keep me alive against my will and causing me to suffer can it get exactly?

That isn't part of the reason for this Bill. It may be one of the consequences.

This is perfect, it’s the whole thing in a nutshell.

Yes, they now underdose and refuse to prescribe and initiate syringe driver medication for terminal patients. It's sickening. Even doses of pain relief for cancer patients who aren't on end of life have had their doses drastically reduced. I was involved in some dreadful situations with doctors version of so called end of life care. More like wanton neglect. I hate Shipman for what he's doing to people right now and has been doing for many years.

No it doesn't need to stop, it needs to be shouted from the rooftops. I hope this horrendous bill doesn't go ahead. I was sickened by these gleeful people cheering at the vote.

And for the people saying it's scaremongering to point out that palliative care will be denied, reduced, not available. It's hardly available now! Hospices are also struggling to make ends meet. Will people still donate when they can quite reasonably say "Oh, we don't need Hospices now because there's AD, I'll donate to the cats home instead". Do you honestly believe that this won't happen?

Well said!
It will lead to guilt tripping people, it’s not like others aren’t thinking that already.

Yes exactly this !

I have advanced cancer which is incurable but treatable. I don't yet know my long term prognosis, but if treatment does not work, or only works for a number of years, then I am likely to face quite an unpleasant end of life, given the type of cancer I have.

I hope that this bill will progress through the next stages and be fine tuned to mitigate some of the concerns people raised today so that it finally gets voted in.

I would like to think that I have more choice and options in the future and will not be forced to suffer unnecessarily. Maybe I will never need that choice. Maybe more treatments will become available, but it's incredibly comforting to think that I can be involved in making an informed decision at some point in the future if I need to.

The elderly and disabled can certainly be made to be terminally ill with a little effort such as being denied certain treatments and procedures and then being given a poor prognosis. I don't particularly believe that it's wise to prolong life just for the sake of it particularly if there is suffering or poor quality of life. However, who's to say that X patient won't be reduced to a terminal state by the NHS refusing to fund a certain drug or refusing mitral valve surgery or whatever. The same can happen for younger disabled people or people with LDs etc.

Well exactly and it’s the ‘unknown’ consequences that people are concerned about.

Look at the ‘unknown’ consequences of other laws passed. Eg the GRA ….. leading to transmen not being included as part of the Abortion Law.

Also the definition of ‘a poor quality of life’

When people hurl abuse at disabled/chronically ill people saying ‘I’d prefer to be death than living like that’ who is going to decide what a good quality of life is?

Oh there'll be unknown consequences for sure. Perhaps we need to set AI to work to go through them all, as humans are too polarised when it comes to things like this.

It meets a need for the people for whom it'll serve, but there will be how many others unknowingly affected?

Appreciated! it’s very rare for someone to come back and respond!
So , Thankyou !

Well, yes. And if a particular panel of HCPs recommend that your quality of life is so poor that you shouldn't receive X treatment and you should really be opting for AD then you're in trouble.

It is available, I read it yesterday - just google "assisted dying bill". I think it's on the gov.uk website.

Sorry it's at bills.parliament.uk

The shadow of Shipman and his actions has impacted medical training,practice and regulation.More stringent governance and safeguard
Of course if one has nefarious motives and conceal their actions they will be able to act inappropriately but will likely be caught

Of course but what I am saying is that docs did help with no legal bill that's what we need . We need it in law for docs

Sorry, not sure I understand can you elaborate?

Thank you and all the other posters who have shared personal stories.

This law would have no impact on your cousin's death. Assisted Dying offers a choice to those who accept their imminent death and want control over I

I am sorry for your family's loss.