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Wear wellies to school to support farmers?

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GrumpyDullard · 18/11/2024 20:16

My DC's school sent out a message this afternoon to say all kids should wear wellies to school tomorrow to support British farmers. I googled it and found out it's a campaign to oppose the removal of the inheritance tax exemption from agricultural land.
We're a rural community so a lot of parents will support the campaign, which is fair enough, but it seems wrong to force everyone's kids to take part in a protest against the government without even explaining what it's about. I'm afraid my DC will stand out if they're not in wellies, but I don't want to take part in this.

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BurntBroccoli · 19/11/2024 17:57

@GreekDogRescue
Katie Hopkins too:

Wear wellies to school to support farmers?
SweetSakura · 19/11/2024 17:58

GreekDogRescue · 19/11/2024 17:40

Bizarre how so many mumsnetters know one farmer and make wild assumptions about the entire farming community.

Please listen to real farmers and their concerns. Many were interviewed at the farmers protest today (which I imagine most of you commenting here did not attend).

But as I imagine most posters here are REVELS (rich enough to even vote labour), the plight of the underdog will be of limited interest.

Anyone with £1m of assets is very wealthy.

Whatever they wish to pretend.

If they can't run a business and pay taxes thats on them. The same as it would be for any other business with £1m plus of assets.

BurntBroccoli · 19/11/2024 17:59

@GreekDogRescue

And I didn't say that farmers were the far right, they are being used by them as the narrative fits their cause.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

GreekDogRescue · 19/11/2024 18:00

BurntBroccoli · 19/11/2024 17:52

Please stop with the offensive ‘far right’ tropes to demonise working people.
I attended the rally today and find it extremely offensive how wealthy urbanites are seeking to dismiss the very real fears of hard-working farmers.
@GreekDogRescue

I'm sorry but the protest has been adopted by far right people such as Tommy Robinson.

Did you attend the rally today?

I did and all I saw were hard-working farmers trying to protect their families livelihoods and safeguard land they have farmed for generations.

It is not a left or right issue. Labour used to protect the working class but is now simply a movement that seeks to protect greedy corporate apparatchiks like Starmer and Reeves - who is too busy lying on her CV to even meet with farmers to discuss their concerns.

Enough of these tired accusations made up to demonise hard-working people.
What a disgrace.

BurntBroccoli · 19/11/2024 18:05

@GreekDogRescue
Farmers have traditionally been Tory voters.

I am not demonising them at all.

Family farmers can look into Trusts to protect their wealth and assets. That's a lot more than the majority of the working population will ever have. Some will never own their own home despite working a 60 hour week.

BurntBroccoli · 19/11/2024 18:08

Also this from the Guardian

"There is no acknowledgment of the potential wider benefits that go beyond the non-trivial contribution the tax will make to relieving the crisis in public services. The hoarding of land that has gone on since the bung was introduced by Margaret Thatcher in 1984, which has so steadily driven up land prices and farmers’ rents, will at last be checked as some of the larger estates are obliged to sell parcels of land to pay inheritance tax, as they did before 1984 without the world falling in, rather than be enabled to own it in perpetuity. Young farmers, now increasingly crowded out of the market, will get a chance to buy land: there is the prospect of a levelling off, even a fall, in farm rents. New life and ideas will be brought to the rural economy as innovative, energetic farmers enter the market – and production even increases."

Viviennemary · 19/11/2024 18:13

It's cheeky. Why should children be used like this to make a political protest. I would complain to the LA and the Governors. Not on. The more I listen. To those farmers the, less sympathetic I am. Asset rich cash poor - cry me a river. They can pay it like everybody else.

SweetSakura · 19/11/2024 18:22

GreekDogRescue · 19/11/2024 18:00

Did you attend the rally today?

I did and all I saw were hard-working farmers trying to protect their families livelihoods and safeguard land they have farmed for generations.

It is not a left or right issue. Labour used to protect the working class but is now simply a movement that seeks to protect greedy corporate apparatchiks like Starmer and Reeves - who is too busy lying on her CV to even meet with farmers to discuss their concerns.

Enough of these tired accusations made up to demonise hard-working people.
What a disgrace.

Maybe people sitting in £1m+ properties should also go and protest then. Why are some types of inheritance tax ok and others not?

Plenty of hard working people never get to inherit anything and have to pay tax on everything they earn and save

Inheritance is is a windfall plain and simple.

Apolloneuro · 19/11/2024 18:31

GrumpyDullard · 18/11/2024 20:42

You have to fight your way past regiments of Range Rovers to get to the school gates at pick up and drop off. It's a very well off area and very cliquey. I've lived here for years but will always be an outsider, a liberal leftie from the city, so I often keep my opinions to myself, to avoid causing problems for my kids.
But I've emailed the headteacher to complain now. So there!

I’d take that further and make a formal complaint about children being encouraged to make a political statement.

BurntBroccoli · 19/11/2024 18:54

BurntBroccoli · 19/11/2024 18:08

Also this from the Guardian

"There is no acknowledgment of the potential wider benefits that go beyond the non-trivial contribution the tax will make to relieving the crisis in public services. The hoarding of land that has gone on since the bung was introduced by Margaret Thatcher in 1984, which has so steadily driven up land prices and farmers’ rents, will at last be checked as some of the larger estates are obliged to sell parcels of land to pay inheritance tax, as they did before 1984 without the world falling in, rather than be enabled to own it in perpetuity. Young farmers, now increasingly crowded out of the market, will get a chance to buy land: there is the prospect of a levelling off, even a fall, in farm rents. New life and ideas will be brought to the rural economy as innovative, energetic farmers enter the market – and production even increases."

Also I would hope that if land prices do fall, then farm workers and tenant farmers may be able to afford their own farms at last instead of being on short fixed term 5 year tenancies as most are. They have nothing when those end and often no home either.

SweetSakura · 19/11/2024 18:57

BurntBroccoli · 19/11/2024 18:54

Also I would hope that if land prices do fall, then farm workers and tenant farmers may be able to afford their own farms at last instead of being on short fixed term 5 year tenancies as most are. They have nothing when those end and often no home either.

Exactly. Why aren't people marching for them?

crackofdoom · 19/11/2024 19:53

GreekDogRescue · 19/11/2024 17:35

Typical response of someone who knows nothing about the threat to small farms from this ruinous policy.
Do you live in Islington?

Nope, I live in a small rural village, where I regularly watch the impoverished local farmers dropping their offspring at school in their Mercs and Jaguars, in between throwing their weight around and claiming they speak for the rest of us 🙄

inappropriateraspberry · 19/11/2024 20:08

I don't agree with the protests - most farmers won't be affected, but we are in a rural school and my children wore their wellies. It doesn't really mean anything or achieve anything and why make them feel left out?

RampantIvy · 19/11/2024 20:29

BurntBroccoli · 19/11/2024 17:48

Yes most are round here too and keep on buying more and more land around their house. They put forward a local planning suggestion to build on one of the plots of land that they bought so they could make even more money! Sod actual growing of food! Others round here have planted whole fields with bird food crops through the latest farm incentive scheme as that pays a lot more than food.

The only farmers who aren't rich are ones on tenancies and hill farmers.

Which is what most of the farmers round here are. The land isn't flat enough to grow crops. It's mostly sheep, with the odd dairy farm.

I wish people would stop with the narrative that all farmers are wealthy.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqxw2j104p3o

A farmer with his herd of cattle

Bereaved son speaks of financial stress faced by farmers

Jonathan Charlesworth says his father's farm in Silkstone only made £15,000 a year.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqxw2j104p3o

StandingSideBySide · 19/11/2024 20:41

BurntBroccoli · 19/11/2024 18:05

@GreekDogRescue
Farmers have traditionally been Tory voters.

I am not demonising them at all.

Family farmers can look into Trusts to protect their wealth and assets. That's a lot more than the majority of the working population will ever have. Some will never own their own home despite working a 60 hour week.

Pensioners
Farmers
Private school parents

All traditionally vote Conservative in the main
All now attacked by Labour…ooo there’s a surprise!

Crispynoodle · 19/11/2024 22:52

My DHs brother got the farm/land and we had to watch as he made millions off the land for gas pipe installation and allsorts When he died his 3 children sold all the land and farm made loads of cash and we watch them now go on fancy holidays, not work, be mortgage free and buy nice new cars. So the 'family' farm is no more. We live in a very rural place and the farm assets are usually kept in the family, as each child gets married they're given a plot of land to build a house ensuring that all the cash is kept in that family. IHT absolutely should be paid

Littlemissgobby · 19/11/2024 23:28

GreekDogRescue · 19/11/2024 17:51

Are any of your BBC ‘experts’ farmers?
No? I didn’t think so.
Oh, but a ‘journalist’ from a ‘farmers magazine’ is clearly an expert too.
How about listen to real farmers affected by this pathetic tax grab rather than your north London ‘experts’.

Strange today I saw reform and ukip flags at the march did you have anything to say with Brexit that has really hindered farmers shifting goods and losing subsidies but nope I see farmers are fine with farage being there so basically hypocrites .
clarkson said he bought his farm as a tax avoidance he literally said that Victoria Derbyshire quoted his words back to him

Littlemissgobby · 19/11/2024 23:30

StandingSideBySide · 19/11/2024 20:41

Pensioners
Farmers
Private school parents

All traditionally vote Conservative in the main
All now attacked by Labour…ooo there’s a surprise!

Edited

Tell u what the media today to busy reporting this match to report that one in three kids in the uk are in poverty. One teacher said that fifty percent of his class are homeless living in temporary accommodation. So we need more tax paid to help these people

DieStrassensindimmernass · 19/11/2024 23:40

Isn't that just virtue signalling by proxy?

viques · 20/11/2024 00:26

Ifailed · 18/11/2024 21:05

Bollocks. Farmers can easily escape paying IT by moving from a sole-trader state to a limited liability company. You need to question why they haven't.

Like anyone else with money/property they need to plan effectively for potential death duties. Horrified to see Hobby Farmer Clarkson spouting off on the news. He has already admitted he bought land as a tax dodge. Hypocrite that he is.

LittleBearPad · 20/11/2024 08:13

viques · 20/11/2024 00:26

Like anyone else with money/property they need to plan effectively for potential death duties. Horrified to see Hobby Farmer Clarkson spouting off on the news. He has already admitted he bought land as a tax dodge. Hypocrite that he is.

He did look rather foolish and certainly didn’t like his words about dodging IHT being quoted back to him.

BurntBroccoli · 20/11/2024 17:46

Crispynoodle · 19/11/2024 22:52

My DHs brother got the farm/land and we had to watch as he made millions off the land for gas pipe installation and allsorts When he died his 3 children sold all the land and farm made loads of cash and we watch them now go on fancy holidays, not work, be mortgage free and buy nice new cars. So the 'family' farm is no more. We live in a very rural place and the farm assets are usually kept in the family, as each child gets married they're given a plot of land to build a house ensuring that all the cash is kept in that family. IHT absolutely should be paid

So the farm is split anyway eventually and built on for housing in essence?

Yes agree it should be taxed.

Seems unfair that only one child (the eldest?) gets to keep the farm too!

StandingSideBySide · 21/11/2024 14:06

Littlemissgobby · 19/11/2024 23:30

Tell u what the media today to busy reporting this match to report that one in three kids in the uk are in poverty. One teacher said that fifty percent of his class are homeless living in temporary accommodation. So we need more tax paid to help these people

Yes and Labour are doing it by hitting those that don’t vote for them with unknown consequences on our economy, our ability to feed ourselves, the health of the elderly and education.

Why not start with ( as I’ve mentioned before ) removing tax payer funded tuck money to prisoners…..for example.
What about fraud, both business and personal …. shouldn’t we be employing more people to stop this.

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