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Wear wellies to school to support farmers?

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GrumpyDullard · 18/11/2024 20:16

My DC's school sent out a message this afternoon to say all kids should wear wellies to school tomorrow to support British farmers. I googled it and found out it's a campaign to oppose the removal of the inheritance tax exemption from agricultural land.
We're a rural community so a lot of parents will support the campaign, which is fair enough, but it seems wrong to force everyone's kids to take part in a protest against the government without even explaining what it's about. I'm afraid my DC will stand out if they're not in wellies, but I don't want to take part in this.

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roastiepotato · 19/11/2024 06:09

RedRiverShore5 · 18/11/2024 22:12

A lot will probably have to wear them tomorrow anyway so a bit meaningless

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ParkAndRider · 19/11/2024 06:39

I have to say though that those people thinking this tax means the land will be enjoyed by aspiring farmers wanting to follow their dreams - it won't be. It will be bought by developers. Wannabe farmers will in 99% of cases not have the knowledge, skills, infrastructure or capital to buy some land and begin farming it's farcical to believe that could be the outcome.

Muffinmissedhernap · 19/11/2024 06:51

Schools are not the place for political protests, I’d be complaining too. We are surrounded by farms but not heard from school on this. Why are they protesting this tax? Why not all the cuts over the last 14 years? Or the closure of our local A and E?

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SharpOpalNewt · 19/11/2024 06:53

Sounds politicial. I agree with the changes to IHT and I'd tell the school to take a hike.

SharpOpalNewt · 19/11/2024 06:55

I now feel like I can't wear my wellies at all in case people think I'm supporting wealthy landowners to avoid paying tax that applies to anyone else.

LittleBearPad · 19/11/2024 06:57

Given the funding crisis in schools it seems a strange priority to protest IHT being imposed on multi-millionaire landowners.

SeriousFaffing · 19/11/2024 06:57

Toastandbutterand · 19/11/2024 01:52

And why aren't people angry about this?

@Toastandbutterand it ought to be common knowledge, but it seems that everyone who I give this info to is unaware. It’s crazy, but we all know what tge agenda is, why people don’t know about this. Yet he’s often given air time on television programmes to portray the caring and innovative farmer.

That website I linked in my previous comment is very interesting - another fun fact is that there’s a huge amount of land in England that has unrecorded ownership - Land Regustry doesn’t have records and the ownership information is very difficult to obtain. This land is in private and elite hands, passed down untaxed and giving no benefit to the public good.

Massimoscupofcoffee · 19/11/2024 07:00

I know several farmers - believe me they ARE NOT wealthy. Not a single one of them have nice cars - they are old battered land vehicles.

The farms were passed down in generations and they have worked the fields to produce food for everyone - which the government have spent YEARS making it harder and harder to do this. The Tories have done this too - it’s not just Labour.

The farmers have been being paid NOT to work the land - meaning less food available. Many have had to do this because of sky high material prices and new regulations. Farmers have actually been under attack for a while. Welsh farmers have been decimated because of it.

It’s a land grab and nothing more the vast majority of these families are not money rich at all.

Id be supporting this in a heartbeat

CollisionCourse · 19/11/2024 07:05

Good for you emailing the school op, it won't change anything now but if a few do it it might help refocus their minds on how primary children are not pawns to be used to make political points.

Prescottdanni123 · 19/11/2024 07:07

@SweetSakura

You can own a £1 million farm and still be extremely cash poor. And these farms have been in the family for hundreds of years sometimes. The people who inherit them have already been working on the land, providing food for the country all of their lives. They have earned their farm, they are not inheriting it for nothing.

Bonfirenightchaos · 19/11/2024 07:08

ichundich · 18/11/2024 23:21

Unbelievable. I hope the teachers who came up with this stupid idea didn't vote Labour. I would raise it with the governors because this kind of indoctrination really isn't acceptable. I'm against the IHT increase by the way.

I very much doubt a teacher came up with the idea…we just get told what’s happening…

My child has to wear wellies to school today as it’s tipping it down! I wouldn’t be keeping her in them all day though. She’ll be putting her school shoes on when we get there for comfort.

sunshinyday12 · 19/11/2024 07:12

I'm a farmer's daughter and grew up on a tenant farm. Loads of farmers in the UK are tenant farmers so will not be affected by this. The people that may are the landlords who own say 20 farms. Seems pretty fair to me to redistribute some of this inherited wealth. If that is, loopholes have not already been found by the very wealthy.

Very poor of the school BTW. Well done on complaining.

ichundich · 19/11/2024 07:16

Bluebellyhedge · 19/11/2024 06:06

We're on a cost of living crisis. Why shouldn't ruch farmers pay their taxes like everyone else. Taxes that pay for the NHS, education etc etc.

A CoL crisis which will be exacerbated by businesses passing on the tax rises to consumers. What a spectacular own goal...

superplumb · 19/11/2024 07:18

I'd tell the school to fuck off and stop imposing their political views on the parents.

RampantIvy · 19/11/2024 07:21

I expect children will be in wellies today due to the snow.

Tragically, a farmer local to me took his own life very recently due to the dire state farming is in. This new bill will be the final nail in the coffin for many.

CurlewKate · 19/11/2024 07:21

Mine would have a day off. As they would if asked to participate in any party political action.

GrumpyDullard · 19/11/2024 07:26

As PPs predicted, we've got a couple of inches of snow here, so we'll have to wear wellies anyway, but they will be apolitical wellies.

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Prescottdanni123 · 19/11/2024 07:26

@Bluebellyhedge

I agree the rich farmers with the money and profits in the bank should pay tax. But I've heard of loads of cash poor farmers who have been caught up in this who cannot afford to, which is wrong.

Isatis · 19/11/2024 07:38

Shopgirl2 · 18/11/2024 21:14

It's anything above £1 million. That's basically one or two farm buildings and a bit of land. It's not cash. No one can pay that sort of inheritance tax, so the land has to be sold. Who do you think is going to be able to buy it up? Other family farmers that grow our food? Or land developers, the mega rich, and the mega industrial farms?
Aside from this viewpoint, it is odd to involve children politically.

But married couples are able to claim £1m each tax free as well as a family home worth up to £1m, the tax rate is half the normal 40% and they have ten years to pay.

Isatis · 19/11/2024 07:41

Contact the governors to say you note that the school is now taking part in political protests and to ask when they're having an anti-poverty or an anti-hunting day.

ButterMints · 19/11/2024 07:42

I suppose "Wear wellies to school to support millionaires who have bought up vast swathes of land as part of a tax avoidance scheme" doesn't really have the same ring to it.

ButterMints · 19/11/2024 07:43

Isatis · 19/11/2024 07:38

But married couples are able to claim £1m each tax free as well as a family home worth up to £1m, the tax rate is half the normal 40% and they have ten years to pay.

Get out of here with your facts! Don't you know we're all hyperbole here?

TinyRebel · 19/11/2024 07:43

It’s a snow day today and mine are wearing wellies anyway, however all the local farmers’ children go to private school, so wouldn’t appreciate this show of solidarity.

ReadWithScepticism · 19/11/2024 07:44

GrumpyDullard · 19/11/2024 07:26

As PPs predicted, we've got a couple of inches of snow here, so we'll have to wear wellies anyway, but they will be apolitical wellies.

That's so funny. I can't decide whether it will be a boost to those who want to drag schoolkids into inappropriate political posturing, or a complete sabotage of their scheme.
I would be tempted to customise my kids' wellies to make it clear that they were only there for the purposes of keeping feet dry.

#LetWelliesBeWellies

Ophy83 · 19/11/2024 07:44

Shopgirl2 · 18/11/2024 21:33

Typically there is one surviving parent that passes on the land. If more time was allowed, then land could be passed on earlier if the farm is in joint ownership to be able to get that amount of tax relief. Else, 'One person who owns a farm will be able to pass on land and property valued up to £1.5 million tax free to a child or grandchild. That is made up of their standard £500,000 tax-free allowance (£325,000 nil-rate band + £175,000 residence nil-rate band), and an additional £1 million tax-free allowance for agricultural property inheritance.'
It sounds a lot, but it's land not cash. You need a certain amount of land to even make farming viable after all the other costs.

But if the issue is passing on the family business could it not be resolved using a company structure (like any other family business)? Keep the house separate, but have the rest of the farm/plant owned by the company? Then when the director dies, the new directors take over? The company hasn't died so there is no inheritance tax? I haven't researched it so maybe I'm missing something