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Republicans don't really like free speech do they book banning

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Littlemissgobby · 14/11/2024 07:54

In the state of florida, apparently, they have literally taken book banning in schoos at an amazing level.
If you read the article, it even suggests they are banning classics by tom sawyer, is that because they don't want slavery and issues around that being taught?
The lady who wrote handmaid's tale book has been banned to.
This js like what Hitler did and all you lot that go oh well kids shouldn't be taught lgbt stuff if yiu look it's not just them books that are going this is terrible.
Thoughts
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/13/florida-book-bans-removals-education-department-list

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80smonster · 14/11/2024 10:21

Notreat · 14/11/2024 09:56

This is such a strange arguement.
No one has banned private schools. They are still there.
All the Government has done is take away a tax break from them. Which will actually benefit the vast majority of school children
Most of the population don't and can't send their children to private school anyway. Is that limiting education?

It’s about limiting education and opportunities for education (like schools and books). I think you’ll find the benefit of VAT remains unproven at this stage. Schools won’t receive any funding until next October 2025, as I understand it. Hard to say if anyone will benefit from larger state school classes, I’d guess not.

Menopausalsourpuss · 14/11/2024 10:37

Yes I think like alot of people (probably secretly as don't want abuse) I am very jealous of the US having Trump to clear out the lefty rubbish (assisted by Musk who is a genius) while we are stuck with dismal Starmer and gang. The op has posted from the Guardian which I would never click on but they are wrong about/lie about everything and have offered their staff counselling to get over the US election - such snowflakes.

biscuitandcake · 14/11/2024 10:53

Littlemissgobby · 14/11/2024 08:26

So some oarent moans and the authorities actually do that that's just bloody bonkers as none of them books are bad .

Yes, yes it is bonkers!

teethsore · 14/11/2024 10:54

As others have said, it's due to crank parents, hence the change to bring in stricter ways to challenge books and stop them from being mass-challenged. A parent challenging the book, means it will get reviewed and either restricted to certain year groups, put back on or obviously removed. I don't think the idea is bad, actually, and getting books reviewed regularly isn't bad, and the ability for parents to get a book reviewed to check if it's suitable, but the implementation has been terrible.

Littlemissgobby · 14/11/2024 11:24

Menopausalsourpuss · 14/11/2024 10:37

Yes I think like alot of people (probably secretly as don't want abuse) I am very jealous of the US having Trump to clear out the lefty rubbish (assisted by Musk who is a genius) while we are stuck with dismal Starmer and gang. The op has posted from the Guardian which I would never click on but they are wrong about/lie about everything and have offered their staff counselling to get over the US election - such snowflakes.

nothing to do with the actual post then. I guess you are the sort that likes book banning and would quite like a bit of fascism

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Littlemissgobby · 14/11/2024 11:27

teethsore · 14/11/2024 10:54

As others have said, it's due to crank parents, hence the change to bring in stricter ways to challenge books and stop them from being mass-challenged. A parent challenging the book, means it will get reviewed and either restricted to certain year groups, put back on or obviously removed. I don't think the idea is bad, actually, and getting books reviewed regularly isn't bad, and the ability for parents to get a book reviewed to check if it's suitable, but the implementation has been terrible.

I follow a YouTuber on YouTube called Walter Matheson I think but he is very progressive and always tries to pretend to be a republican. It’s very funny.. anyway I have seen him go to parent meetings with the school board. I don’t think this is something we do in the UK and they will stand up and say some such about anything including books. He literally trolls the school board pretending to be like Maga .
however all that being said even if a parent stands up and says I don’t want this to be in the school why are supposedly educated school board members, Are they not full of teachers? Still allowing this stuff to be banned?

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RamblingEclectic · 14/11/2024 11:31

Tom Sawyer has been banned many times before this for the issues around the portrayal of Injun Joe and having the n word in it. Both 1984 and Handsmaid Take include sexual content. Really those aren't surprising to be on the list at all.

Even the freest of speech advocates and libertarians tends to have limits when it comes to kids and schools, their debate is on where that limits lies. As others said, laws like this and the ones in Utah has resulted in religious texts including the Bible being removed or restricted on school library shelves so it isn't trying to make some sort of Christian paradise. I can't get worked up over these school book banning, they hardly makes a dent in books available and many are freely available online with the school's computers. There has been a lot of discussion on how YA particularly and to a lesser extent Middle Grade have aged up in content in a way that makes things very difficult for schools and libraries & the issues in both books and older films around how to deal with this. My own kids' British secondary school and others in the area have their libraries divided by age with some books only allowed for those either Y10+ and/or Sixth Form, and some have had to pull adult books and books sometimes advertised as YA from the shelves because some donated books had more adult content than the schools were happy to continue having without any parent complaint involved.

I have at least one secondary in my area that doesn't even have a school library or librarian, the closest they have is a bookshelf outside one of the English teacher's classrooms, so if the issue is around physical access, I think there are plenty of other issues to be looked at than this.

teethsore · 14/11/2024 11:31

i don’t want this to be in the school why are supposedly educated school board members, Are they not full of teachers? Still allowing this stuff to be banned?
they get reviewed after challenges.

Littlemissgobby · 14/11/2024 11:33

teethsore · 14/11/2024 11:31

i don’t want this to be in the school why are supposedly educated school board members, Are they not full of teachers? Still allowing this stuff to be banned?
they get reviewed after challenges.

Ok interesting

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MonkeyToHeaven · 14/11/2024 11:35

colddays · 14/11/2024 07:59

I don't know about this story but the left in America and here really don't have any high ground on the free speech thing given the effort they have put into banning, silencing and cancelling any views they do not agree with.

We really can't regard ourselves as mature democracies if we aren't prepared to tolerate, listen to and engage with views we don't agree with.

BTW OP, where I live the libraries won't stock gender critical books. So you know, book banning by public libraries is alive and well here in the UK thanks to the self-identified progressive left.

There's simply no equivalence.

The right closed 180 public libraries and reduced the hours of a further 950 in their last 10 years in government.

One library removed some GC books. Countless school libraries removed LGBT books from their shelves.
www.indexoncensorship.org/2024/08/banned-school-librarians-shushed-over-lgbt-books/

AspiringChatBot · 14/11/2024 12:44

I've noticed that the UK media have been particularly "off" for a while in their reporting of socio-political trends in the USA. I'm not sure if the recent Presidential election has made it worse or it's just that there are more such stories, and more rushed/badly-reported stories, in the aftermath.

Banning books is an issue. So is pressuring (in some cases threatening) for-profit companies so that they refuse to publish, stock, display, or promote certain books or types of books. But this story isn't about banning or "cancelling" books, it's about regulating the content available to students in school libraries. In the US, public (state) schools start with Kindergarten and run through 12th grade ("K-12"). Typically a child will be 5 at the start of K and 18 at the end of 12; some may be younger if they have a birthday late in the year. In large school districts there may be a "Junior High" which covers grades 7-8 and sometimes 9, and a "Senior High School" for 9 or 10 - 12, but smaller districts typically lump grades 7 - 12 together in one "(Jr/Sr) High School", so you have students aged roughly 11 through 18 sharing the school library.

US school libraries are open access for students; there are no Hogwarts-style restricted sections. You go in during your free periods or before or after school and browse the shelves and sit and read, or check out, anything you want. Obviously, safeguarding applies. But in this article, "banned books" seems to be a misnomer; the reality is that some books aren't available in the school library for any student to read/borrow because they're not appropriate for all ages of students who attend the school. Not infrequently, you'll see cases where an older class is assigned a book that's not in the library for general access; in these cases the students in the class will be lent a copy of the book. And of course, someone looking for a particular book can find it in the public library, in online collections accessed via pub library membership, or commercially; the school library removals are mainly to stop children stumbling on potentially harmful books they would not otherwise have been aware of.

Is there some overreach, some politically-motivated or religion-driven campaigns to remove certain books? Of course, and in the main schools have to be trusted to judge and handle these, starting with the expertise of the trained professional school librarian(s) and often going to school board and community hearings with subject matter experts brought in and (as a PP mentioned) formal reviews. But by far, the main things that get books excluded from school libraries are graphic sexual content, graphic violence, profane or obscene language, extremely distressing or upsetting content (things like torture), and demonstrable misinformation.

Tripwires · 14/11/2024 13:05

Littlemissgobby · 14/11/2024 09:50

Limiting education only 7 percent go to private schools. Do you know why he wants to do that? Because under fourteen years of conservative rule, education for state school, children has been limited because they haven't got the facilities or budget to really help children.
This way, the money will help a lot more children. And it's a choice to send your children to private school.So nobody is saying you can't have your children.Educated, you just have to slum it with the rest of them

Only 7% of pupils (approx 1 in 15) go to private school at any one time, I cannot find the sources now, but it between 1 in 10 (10%) and 1 in 4 (25%) that go to private school at some point in their school career.

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