Republicans don't really like free speech do they book banning

[Littlemissgobby]

In the state of florida, apparently, they have literally taken book banning in schoos at an amazing level.
If you read the article, it even suggests they are banning classics by tom sawyer, is that because they don't want slavery and issues around that being taught?
The lady who wrote handmaid's tale book has been banned to.
This js like what Hitler did and all you lot that go oh well kids shouldn't be taught lgbt stuff if yiu look it's not just them books that are going this is terrible.
Thoughts
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/13/florida-book-bans-removals-education-department-list

Banning books is never acceptable in my view, however, we have age appropriate ages on dvds and gaming. Some books should not be available in children's libraries. We don't for example have the karma sutra in primary school libraries, should it be available at secondary level?

Rather than banning books, perhaps a content age guide for schools/libraries. Just like games and films, parents can then have a conversation with their young people around these books and the content. FYI, the books/authors op has mentioned would all be available in a children's library if it was up to me.

Also if that's just one school why would they ban it across florida though

Read the article upu r very wrong tell me why would tom sawyer be removed or the handmaid's tale . Sorry you are just very wrong

I'm not wrong. It's parents that are challenging the books available. Books are removed and then put back into circulation once they've been demand appropriate for the age group.

Are you aware that the bible has been removed in some schools too under the same law?

I completely agree abiut age i do but as you say yourself the titles that I have spoke about should be In schools . This has really amazed me but also on a bigger stance is the right love so called freedom speech. However they love to ban books to it seems

Stephen king books are for adults only and I say that after having read the majority of them. Tom Sawyer was banned because of the N word apparently. Don’t know about handmaidens tale but from what I’ve heard about the tv show it’s not suitable for kids.
These books aren’t being banned, they are just being removed from some school libraries.

But then both sides can play that game, can't they?

I could write ' she's talking about the left; people who spend their lives shouting how wrong it is to hate and demonise groups of people, yet think its fine to label Trump supporters as racist nazis'

The scary thing is that many of the left in America (and doubtless here too) seem to have come to believe their own propaganda about Trump supporters. I have seen videos where black and asian men go to Trump rallies expecting, or have been told by democratic friends, to expect verbal abuse, physical abuse or even to be shot and they might not get out alive, only to be ' amazed and astonished and it was unbelievable' because all the Trump supporters were really nice and friendly and TOTALLY NORMAL fellow human beings.

No wow

Well this is an excellent question, isn't it?

Why those books?

I think it's pretty obvious why they want to ban the Handmaid's Tale. It's a stark warning about the kind of society you can end up with once you start trying to control women by limiting their reproductive rights.

As for Tom Sawyer, well, that's an interesting one. It's one of the most banned books in history, both by the left and the right, for multiple reasons ranging from "questionable morals" to the use of racial slurs. I would be no more surprised if Democrats wanted to ban it. Disney has even removed some of its own content from Disney+ and put trigger warnings on a whole bunch of other stuff for the use of harmful stereotypes which wouldn't be acceptable now. For what it's worth, I haven't seen Song of the South (which was removed) but I think keeping films like Peter Pan and Dumbo available with a trigger warning at the beginning is probably the right approach.

I genuinely don't know quite where I stand on the issue of school library books, because whilst I don't agree with book banning in general, there clearly are books which are completely unsuitable for children. The problem is, who gets to decide what is suitable for children and what isn't? There are some books written for children which I personally think are unsuitable for children or even dangerous, for example, there is one which I think encourages girls who are struggling with their gender identity to hate their bodies and want to use a binder and have a mastectomy. I'd go ape shit if I found that in my child's bedroom, and yet, who makes the rules about what is suitable for children and what isn't? I don't think there is an easy answer.

Yes, the left tends to be hypocritical in other ways but this thread is about free speech specifically.

She did tell you, very clearly. They have been removed because some crank of a parent has complained. It wasn’t us. You cannot come into a uk forum and blame the participants for anything at all that happens in Florida

Exactly. It's nutty parents that are objecting to the books. Ron De Santis has now actually introduced legislation to limit the number of challenges parents can make per year.

Libraries are so important and I’ve read there was a book banning bus, ie a mobile library carrying banned book floating about somewhere in the US!

And yes Uncle Toms cabin was banned at some points in history too as it was written by an abolitionist.

https://www.chalkbeat.org/tennessee/2023/5/16/23725070/ruby-bridges-memphis-festival-book-ban-civil-rights-museum-moms-for-liberty-school-desegregation/

The first article : people objecting to stories for children about Ruby Bridges who was literally a small child herself that walked into the lions dens (not literally 😆)

https://sites.uab.edu/humanrights/2023/01/12/book-bans-in-the-united-states-history-says-it-all/

The second article : historical context is so important to understanding this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/09/28/virginia-frequent-school-book-challenger-spotsylvania/#

Third article : okay this article cites 60% of THOUSANDS of book ban requests came from 11 people!

Well there you go. If this poster is correct the information you have appears to be politically motivated misinformation OP.

Which is something which appears from the left and right in America.

Stephen King books are perfect from around 13 upwards I would say. For dc that enjoy a scare, it's on a par with a theme park. I remember reading pet cemetery at that age, and regulating myself when I was scared as I stopped reading, and picked it up again a few weeks later to finish it.

I think it's pretty obvious why they want to ban the Handmaid's Tale. It's a stark warning about the kind of society you can end up with once you start trying to control women by limiting their reproductive rights

Another plausible explanation is that it has been removed as it is has a rape scene in it, and other scenes of violence.

Exactly I read that stuff at that age to

On which the Left has a terrible contemporary record.

Yes, but they don't preach free speech.

You seem to be really struggling intellectually. 😔

If you live in the uk it's because free speech comes with responsibility you can't shout fire in a packed cinema as that could hurt folk scrambling to get iut even though it's your freedom of speech to do so.
I think many people like yourself. Don't understand how free speech works in the uk.And honestly, it's not about banning stuff, it's about realizing that things and meanings and words change.
It's your side that continually goes on about free speech, yet. It seems to be okay to ban books that you don't agree with, which is a form of banning free speech

Left/Right many people are fans of free speech when it agrees with their view, less so when it doesn't

Stephen King books often have depictions of rape. He's particularly fond of depicting children in sexual situations. After he got too big for his editor to control some very questionable scenes crept in to the midst of his rambling.

Off the top of my head:

A child being sexually assaulted by her father both in Dolores Clainorne and Gerald's game.

Children participating in a completely unnecessary 'gang bang' in IT.

A black woman being gang raped by white men while they drown her young son infront of her in bag of bones.

Nothing like the point horror books I remember.

I never read them three books I did read other Stephen king books I believe

In the UK there are many people on the left who don't believe we should have the freedom to say that a biologically male person is a man, not a woman.

That's a far cry from shouting "fire!" in a cinema, which we can all agree is a stupid thing to do if there is not actually a fire.

I totally do not agree with what you have just said about trans people but you can say what you want. You just will get pushback from people like me. The problem I have is it people like yourself? Want to say what they want but they don’t like the pushback or the people claiming that you are wrong that’s the problem so if we’re gonna talk about free speech, let’s have the free speech but people don’t like pushback.
they claim they cannot say what they want you can it just becomes fundamental that society doesn’t seem to agree with stuff anymore like I’m sure back in the day people could say all sorts of stuff about black people gay people in public but nowadays that is quite frowned upon although it is coming back again.
So when it is frowned upon the same people then claim they cannot say what they want. It’s because society doesn’t agree anymore that’s the difference

Exactly this, these articles always take shit out of context suprise suprise it's the guardian.
There's threads on Mumsnet where people showcase their competitive superiority about not letting their kids watch 18+ films till their 18 but when it comes to books apparently there should be no age limit?? And if there is it's "literally nazi Germany"

There is a massive massive list of books that have been banned and you cannot claim that all them books are banned because it’s wrong to show children 1984. I studied it secondary school so why is that now been banned?