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Republicans don't really like free speech do they book banning

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Littlemissgobby · 14/11/2024 07:54

In the state of florida, apparently, they have literally taken book banning in schoos at an amazing level.
If you read the article, it even suggests they are banning classics by tom sawyer, is that because they don't want slavery and issues around that being taught?
The lady who wrote handmaid's tale book has been banned to.
This js like what Hitler did and all you lot that go oh well kids shouldn't be taught lgbt stuff if yiu look it's not just them books that are going this is terrible.
Thoughts
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/13/florida-book-bans-removals-education-department-list

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Littlemissgobby · 14/11/2024 09:02

30percent · 14/11/2024 09:01

Exactly this, these articles always take shit out of context suprise suprise it's the guardian.
There's threads on Mumsnet where people showcase their competitive superiority about not letting their kids watch 18+ films till their 18 but when it comes to books apparently there should be no age limit?? And if there is it's "literally nazi Germany"

Well, of course daily mail and all the rest of the other right wing rags don’t like to make crap up do they? Of course not?

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30percent · 14/11/2024 09:04

Littlemissgobby · 14/11/2024 09:02

Well, of course daily mail and all the rest of the other right wing rags don’t like to make crap up do they? Of course not?

Did I say they didn't?

30percent · 14/11/2024 09:11

Littlemissgobby · 14/11/2024 09:02

There is a massive massive list of books that have been banned and you cannot claim that all them books are banned because it’s wrong to show children 1984. I studied it secondary school so why is that now been banned?

It's been a while since I read 1984 although I don't remember it according to a quick Google it contains sexual themes. How funny that Mumsnet loves showcasing parental superiority about not letting children play 18+ games and videos but if a primary age kid can't read an adult book it's "literally just like living in 1984"

30percent · 14/11/2024 09:15

Also when I was at school dumb shit was always being banned, coolmathsgames.com was banned on the computers, you had to wear your tie and skirt a certain length yes your freaking tie couldn't be too short or long or you would get detention. Certain random trendy bits of stationary were banned etc etc. Schools can actually ban whatever the hell they want it's not comparable to nazi Germany.

In fact schools have to get permission to show a film rated 12 to a class of year 7s in case some parents don't want their 11 year old watching it. Most of the film adaptations of the books on your list are 12 or 15 some even 18

80smonster · 14/11/2024 09:16

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 14/11/2024 08:03

The political spectrum isn't a straight line, it's a horseshoe. The far right and the far left are so close they're almost touching.

As anyone who voted for Kier Starmer has sadly witnessed…

Littlemissgobby · 14/11/2024 09:17

80smonster · 14/11/2024 09:16

As anyone who voted for Kier Starmer has sadly witnessed…

Starmer isn't far left not at all he's centrist jf anything ask any very left person

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 14/11/2024 09:18

Littlemissgobby · 14/11/2024 09:00

I totally do not agree with what you have just said about trans people but you can say what you want. You just will get pushback from people like me. The problem I have is it people like yourself? Want to say what they want but they don’t like the pushback or the people claiming that you are wrong that’s the problem so if we’re gonna talk about free speech, let’s have the free speech but people don’t like pushback.
they claim they cannot say what they want you can it just becomes fundamental that society doesn’t seem to agree with stuff anymore like I’m sure back in the day people could say all sorts of stuff about black people gay people in public but nowadays that is quite frowned upon although it is coming back again.
So when it is frowned upon the same people then claim they cannot say what they want. It’s because society doesn’t agree anymore that’s the difference

I'm not sure what point you're making here.

Yes, I do want the freedom to be able to say that water is wet, that 2+2=4, and that if you have a penis you are not a woman.

But women have been threatened, harassed, discriminated against and fired, by those on the political left for saying that someone with a penis is not a woman.

Women have had to take their former employers to an employment tribunal to confirm that, in the UK in 2024, we are allowed to "believe" that humans cannot change sex. And it is the political left which thinks we shouldn't be allowed to believe or say so, not the political right.

People in Florida are batshit, but that's nothing new. Conservatives in the UK aren't trying to ban books or free speech, to my knowledge.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 14/11/2024 09:19

Littlemissgobby · 14/11/2024 09:17

Starmer isn't far left not at all he's centrist jf anything ask any very left person

Keir Starmer said that "only women have cervixes" is something that "shouldn't be said".

Eraserbread · 14/11/2024 09:20

I consider myself left-wing and I despair of book banning, but let's not pretend it's the reserve of the right. The left are very much in favour of burning pretty innocuous books if they don't agree with the message. Two cheeks of the same arse as my dad would say.

30percent · 14/11/2024 09:22

Littlemissgobby · 14/11/2024 09:17

Starmer isn't far left not at all he's centrist jf anything ask any very left person

Yeah yeah Trotsky said the same thing about Stalin. Anyway you never responded to me saying a teacher has to get permission from all parents to show a 12 film to year 7 s in case parents don't want their 11 year old watching it. Why is that ok when it comes to films but not when it comes to books? Most of the books on your list the film adaptations are 12+ some even 18+

RingoJuice · 14/11/2024 09:23

Littlemissgobby · 14/11/2024 07:54

In the state of florida, apparently, they have literally taken book banning in schoos at an amazing level.
If you read the article, it even suggests they are banning classics by tom sawyer, is that because they don't want slavery and issues around that being taught?
The lady who wrote handmaid's tale book has been banned to.
This js like what Hitler did and all you lot that go oh well kids shouldn't be taught lgbt stuff if yiu look it's not just them books that are going this is terrible.
Thoughts
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/13/florida-book-bans-removals-education-department-list

We have always had a problem with religious fundamentalists meddling over what’s on the shelves of the school library.

But obviously a balance must be struck. You shouldn’t have sexually explicit material on the school shelves, either.

Also re: Mark Twain, it’s always leftists that request the removal of Huckleberry Finn due to the N-word.

FelixtheAardvark · 14/11/2024 09:23

They are not "banned" as such. It is school boards are forbidding school libraries to stock them or for them to be taught. You can still buy the books or read on-line if you like to.

Littlemissgobby · 14/11/2024 09:24

FelixtheAardvark · 14/11/2024 09:23

They are not "banned" as such. It is school boards are forbidding school libraries to stock them or for them to be taught. You can still buy the books or read on-line if you like to.

So they are banned for children to read at schools we know you can get them yourselves in shops but still

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80smonster · 14/11/2024 09:25

Littlemissgobby · 14/11/2024 09:17

Starmer isn't far left not at all he's centrist jf anything ask any very left person

I honestly couldn’t tell you what Starmer is. I don’t believe a left leaning or centrist politician would add VAT to education. You could say it’s another version of book burning…

Littlemissgobby · 14/11/2024 09:26

80smonster · 14/11/2024 09:25

I honestly couldn’t tell you what Starmer is. I don’t believe a left leaning or centrist politician would add VAT to education. You could say it’s another version of book burning…

Omg you guys are fucking obsessed it's not even comparable at all

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30percent · 14/11/2024 09:27

Littlemissgobby · 14/11/2024 09:26

Omg you guys are fucking obsessed it's not even comparable at all

Just like a school not stocking a book that would be 18+ if it was a film is not comparable to nazi Germany but that didn't stop you

GeneralPeter · 14/11/2024 09:29

JohnBinary · 14/11/2024 08:44

Yes, but they don't preach free speech.

You seem to be really struggling intellectually. 😔

John, you have a very recent memory.

The left has a long and honourable tradition of fighting against censorship and 'preaching free speech', both here and in the US. Mary Whitehouse, Spycatcher, Section 28, McLibel, or further back, opposing wartime censorship, opposing limits on anti-strike publications, supporting conscientious objectors' rights. In the US, anti-McCarthyism, the ACLU (founded by socialists/progressives), famously including the Skokie case. In the present day, championing whistleblowers like Assange and Snowden, pushing for net neutrality (opposing corporates' censorship rights), and supporting the right to protest.

It's a great shame that a slice of the modern progressive left have abandoned these principles (or possibly never held them), but they are not the totality of the left.

I'm a centrist/centre-rightist, but I can recognise the great and principled stand that people from many intellectual traditions have done to uphold and expand free speech. There's a reason that in the US, "liberal" means leftist: because the left and liberalism have been so deeply intertwined.

To me, liberal principles are more important than left and right. I'm hoping one silver lining of wokeist over-reach is that it has led many traditional leftists to appreciate that more deeply.

Littlemissgobby · 14/11/2024 09:29

30percent · 14/11/2024 09:27

Just like a school not stocking a book that would be 18+ if it was a film is not comparable to nazi Germany but that didn't stop you

Some of them books are not 18 plus at all some if them books teach kids abot being black etc. Banning books are wrong there should be age appropriate things but I know importance jf being earnest was studied at school so why was that banned

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 14/11/2024 09:32

Littlemissgobby · 14/11/2024 09:24

So they are banned for children to read at schools we know you can get them yourselves in shops but still

You can actually get Mark Twain's books for free on Kindle (or the free Kindle app on any smartphone) because they're out of copyright. Same with Oscar Wilde.

(Not the point, I know, but they remain far more accessible than more modern books which are banned from school libraries.)

30percent · 14/11/2024 09:33

Littlemissgobby · 14/11/2024 09:29

Some of them books are not 18 plus at all some if them books teach kids abot being black etc. Banning books are wrong there should be age appropriate things but I know importance jf being earnest was studied at school so why was that banned

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Like I said though a year 7 teacher has to get permission from all parents to show a 12 film in case one doesn't want their 11 year old watching it. The film 12 years a slave is 15+ so they wouldn't let kids watch it. Why do you think the rules should be different for books.

80smonster · 14/11/2024 09:42

Littlemissgobby · 14/11/2024 09:26

Omg you guys are fucking obsessed it's not even comparable at all

That’s your opinion. Limiting education of any type should be seen that way. So I’ll have to disagree with you there. The days of English people laughing at US politics are long gone @Littlemissgobby . We have our own embarrassments.

80smonster · 14/11/2024 09:45

People not being able to link book burning with limiting education need to think again…

Littlemissgobby · 14/11/2024 09:50

80smonster · 14/11/2024 09:45

People not being able to link book burning with limiting education need to think again…

Limiting education only 7 percent go to private schools. Do you know why he wants to do that? Because under fourteen years of conservative rule, education for state school, children has been limited because they haven't got the facilities or budget to really help children.
This way, the money will help a lot more children. And it's a choice to send your children to private school.So nobody is saying you can't have your children.Educated, you just have to slum it with the rest of them

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Notreat · 14/11/2024 09:51

They only value free speech if it is something they agree with.

Notreat · 14/11/2024 09:56

80smonster · 14/11/2024 09:45

People not being able to link book burning with limiting education need to think again…

This is such a strange arguement.
No one has banned private schools. They are still there.
All the Government has done is take away a tax break from them. Which will actually benefit the vast majority of school children
Most of the population don't and can't send their children to private school anyway. Is that limiting education?