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Republicans have both houses now so will get everything passed

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Littlemissgobby · 13/11/2024 19:42

Blimey that now means donald trump controls the white house and both houses.
Which means they can push through everything they wanted and no push back from the Democrats.
A mandate to change america to a place that maybe is not recognisable anymore

What with elon musk and vivek in charge now off getting rid of regulations that includes things that make people safe. It sounds like elon is just gonna start slashing and burning regulations and even the fbi. Especially as elon has been fined his company for not following regulations .
They are arguing republican taking point that it's about saving money but it's actually alot more about getting rid of people in departments which could have a big effect in the future and the regulations that they could get rid off could really affect people's health
I know trump fans will be OK but seriously if u r American or not does this amount of power now with trump scare you?
Plus ultimately now ut defo means Ukraine are fucked

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Calmomiletea · 13/11/2024 22:59

Overtheatlantic · 13/11/2024 20:27

The U.S. is screwed. Trump and Musk will have a massive falling out at some point but the country is still screwed. Run by racist felons with no regard for the Constitution and no empathy for their fellow humans.

"No regard for the constitution"... are you going to pretend that the Democrats believe in free speech?! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Good one! 👍

Radyward · 13/11/2024 23:01

Nato is as corrupt as they come. So no loss ?? Like why should USA prop up Nato and throw billions at it. And get nothing in return. Time for Europe to cough up and fund it more

izimbra · 13/11/2024 23:01

@1dayatatime

"Well if those European countries are concerned about security the simple answer is to spend more on defence rather than expecting the US to pay for their security.
The US spends 3.45% of GDP on defence, Finland that has a land border with Russia and who you claim is Putin's next target spends only 1.7%."

You're not wrong. But pulling out right now leaves Europe unprepared and very vulnerable.

"and who you claim is Putin's next target"

In fairness many experts are deeply concerned about Putin's expansionist ambitions.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

Lonelycrab · 13/11/2024 23:03

Musky will be in his armoured bunker smoking a ket bong, thinking “yay this is fun!”

Civil war is inevitable now eh😑

localnotail · 13/11/2024 23:03

I'm also really interested in what Trump supporters are referring to when they say "he will now do what he promised" and "his policies". Does he actually have any policies beyond sound bites? as far as I understand, he is planning to :

  • Deport illegal and legal immigrants from "undesirable" countries - so no cheap labour, I guess Americans will have to take over cleaning, construction labour and gardening
  • Raise tariffs - imagine this will increase prices for goods?
  • Sack a lot of civil service workers - huge amount of unemployed people.(but maybe they will be happy doing cleaning and gardening for half of their wage)
  • No regulations for oil drilling - fuck the planet but global warming is a lie (sorry, Spain) so its ok
  • ...what else? No abortions, no LGBT+, no employment rights, no free medical care, no social benefits, no other "leftie socialist" bullshit
  • No Nato, no ties with Europe - no idea what this will achieve, I cant imagine it improving anything for anyone

have I missed anything?

Radyward · 13/11/2024 23:04

Every time Kamala opened her mouth it was gaslighting 101

ZewitewichOVcrismas · 13/11/2024 23:05

@Littlemissgobby. Which radio?? I've also just listened to the radio and whoever said, Trump will support nato counties who put x amount of gdp in like us does.

The pressure he put on last time apparently got countries to raise spending.

Why should America put more unto nato that eu countries?

This special relationship only started after Pearl Harbour they never wanted to be dragged in.

Why doesn't the eu start it's army it's the place under major threat?

I don't think putin will run rampage far from it I reckon he will be very unsettled by Trump!

localnotail · 13/11/2024 23:06

izimbra · 13/11/2024 22:56

@@localnotail

"He is obsessed with recreating the former Russian Empire/ USSR, he doesn't make a secret of what this entails."

This is exactly what the Russia expert interviewed in the podcast I've linked to was saying.

The guy literally wrote a book about it and employs a "philosophy" professor who developed a bonkers Russian supremacy theory based on Russia being the chosen race fighting against the decadent devil West.

Littlemissgobby · 13/11/2024 23:07

ZewitewichOVcrismas · 13/11/2024 23:05

@Littlemissgobby. Which radio?? I've also just listened to the radio and whoever said, Trump will support nato counties who put x amount of gdp in like us does.

The pressure he put on last time apparently got countries to raise spending.

Why should America put more unto nato that eu countries?

This special relationship only started after Pearl Harbour they never wanted to be dragged in.

Why doesn't the eu start it's army it's the place under major threat?

I don't think putin will run rampage far from it I reckon he will be very unsettled by Trump!

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there is an element of truth with what you say however I think it’s on the cards. I really do. He even said that in last term I really think we need to be watching for this cause we are gonna be screwed

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Totallymessed · 13/11/2024 23:07

izimbra · 13/11/2024 22:51

@Totallymessed

Recommend the Gavin Esler podcast I've linked to above. The guy he has on to talk about what's ahead for Europe is Keir Giles - Author of 'Russia's War on Everybody: And What It Means For You.

Honestly - we've walked half asleep into a an incredibly precarious situation with Putin in Europe, and it's not just Trump that's the issue, it's our governments that have for decades under resourced our military, so that now the US withdraws its resources, we're left incredibly vulnerable.

Thanks, I'll give it a listen. I do think this might be helpful to Europe in the long term. I agree, we've been complacent, assuming the US would always be willing to step in, but realistically there's no real reason for them to, unless it's useful to them.

And historically, a lot of the time the US hasn't been interested in getting involved in European conflicts.

Littlemissgobby · 13/11/2024 23:08

Totallymessed · 13/11/2024 23:07

Thanks, I'll give it a listen. I do think this might be helpful to Europe in the long term. I agree, we've been complacent, assuming the US would always be willing to step in, but realistically there's no real reason for them to, unless it's useful to them.

And historically, a lot of the time the US hasn't been interested in getting involved in European conflicts.

I guess we always thought that America would stand with us. I’m starting to think that Donald Trump probably won’t.

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ZewitewichOVcrismas · 13/11/2024 23:09

Now the eu is a block, I think it's naive to expect the USA to step in?

They have had at least 4, 5 years to start up spending and I'm sure they have.

Perhaps purile but he's restoring Churchill to the oval office and his mum was Scottish.

I don't think he would turn his back if putin went even more rogue but he's faced with an eu expecting to be spoon fed USA soldiers.
Would you want USA solders in eu??

Lonelycrab · 13/11/2024 23:10

America hasn’t got the slightest clue about just how hard it’s voted to fuck itself:

Very hard indeed. Problem is the rest of us are involved too; we’ll all see in a few months.

Appalonia · 13/11/2024 23:12

America is trillions of dollars in debt. Of course they're going to have to look for ways to cut back massively. And it won't be pretty, but what else do you expect them to do...?

izimbra · 13/11/2024 23:16

Donald Trump will be lobbying to have his stupid orange face carved into Mount Rushmore within the next two years, in between shovelling public money into Elonia Musk's pockets and building a Trump tower on the beach in Gaza.

localnotail · 13/11/2024 23:19

Donald Trump will be lobbying to have his stupid orange face carved into Mount Rushmore

Maybe this will keep him occupied for a bit - and at least its funny

Spectre8 · 13/11/2024 23:31

No different to your government with Labour in charge and the house of commons majority Labour so Labour get their policies through with very little to no challenge.

Lonelycrab · 13/11/2024 23:33

Spectre8 · 13/11/2024 23:31

No different to your government with Labour in charge and the house of commons majority Labour so Labour get their policies through with very little to no challenge.

Yes the policies and direction the republicans have announced is exactly the same as Labour in this country😐

Mebebecat · 13/11/2024 23:51

DS is British military and because of his skills is often deployed with US troops. They love him, he is great at what he does but he is often the only Brit there! It's absolutely ridiculous that the US has somehow been made to take responsibility for the western world. Why should they?
NATO peace keepers in Kosovo have 600 US service personnel on the ground. There are 40 British soldiers there. That's crazy and it's obvious why the US resent it. At least the British are equipped and useful. Some of the other nations represented are not even allowed off the base they are such a liability.

aurynne · 14/11/2024 02:42

I have my popcorn ready.

All Trump did in his previous presidency was appoint crazier and crazier people and fall out with them and replace them within months. Sometimes weeks. The fallout with Elon Musk will be particularly amusing.

The EU stopping trusting the USA to support them is well overdue. The USA never cared a bit about the EU or, in fact, any European country. Actually, any other country. They were ready to do business with Hitler all the way up until Pearl Harbour was bombed. They would have done busines readily with an Aryan Europe without blinking. The USA stopped having a moral compass a long time ago, and it has been a decadent post-Empire for a while.

Europe and the rest of the World should start behaving like independent, sovereign states and treat the USA as what it is now: a decaying, albeit still powerful country who spends a lot of money in the military and likes to meddle (with catastrophic consequences) in other people's countries, that now may finally start behaving like an inward-looking decadent empire and stop treating other countries like their minions. I for one am looking forward to stopping taking the USA as the example for "the West", and right now trust countries such as China more than I trust the USA. China may have a government and attitude very different to my preferences, but at least have a very long History and a way of dealing I can understand, and a stable behaviour. If you play by their rules, you get the results you expect. The USA is completely unstable, egotistical and untrustable right now, and in my opinion will continue to be for the foreseeable future.

At least we have the USA ruled by someone they, this time, voted for without a doubt (or without as much doubt we can have that their elections have not actually been rigged), and I am a firm believer that every country has the government they deserve. I do feel for women, imigrants, LGTB community and all the ones who will be royally fucked, but as I said, they have voted for this and it's their mess to deal with.

Littlemissgobby · 14/11/2024 06:11

aurynne · 14/11/2024 02:42

I have my popcorn ready.

All Trump did in his previous presidency was appoint crazier and crazier people and fall out with them and replace them within months. Sometimes weeks. The fallout with Elon Musk will be particularly amusing.

The EU stopping trusting the USA to support them is well overdue. The USA never cared a bit about the EU or, in fact, any European country. Actually, any other country. They were ready to do business with Hitler all the way up until Pearl Harbour was bombed. They would have done busines readily with an Aryan Europe without blinking. The USA stopped having a moral compass a long time ago, and it has been a decadent post-Empire for a while.

Europe and the rest of the World should start behaving like independent, sovereign states and treat the USA as what it is now: a decaying, albeit still powerful country who spends a lot of money in the military and likes to meddle (with catastrophic consequences) in other people's countries, that now may finally start behaving like an inward-looking decadent empire and stop treating other countries like their minions. I for one am looking forward to stopping taking the USA as the example for "the West", and right now trust countries such as China more than I trust the USA. China may have a government and attitude very different to my preferences, but at least have a very long History and a way of dealing I can understand, and a stable behaviour. If you play by their rules, you get the results you expect. The USA is completely unstable, egotistical and untrustable right now, and in my opinion will continue to be for the foreseeable future.

At least we have the USA ruled by someone they, this time, voted for without a doubt (or without as much doubt we can have that their elections have not actually been rigged), and I am a firm believer that every country has the government they deserve. I do feel for women, imigrants, LGTB community and all the ones who will be royally fucked, but as I said, they have voted for this and it's their mess to deal with.

Very good and detailed answer I just can’t help but worry think I am gonna have to start finding alternative radio than lbc. I love that radio it gives me lot of info but I do get quite involved about politics etc which upsets me sometimes. It makes me be a bit of omg third world war or Armageddon is coming.
I wish I was a bit more like some people I talk to who literally have no interest in politics. They don’t even know what’s going on in the news. I just wish I was like that because I really think it provokes my thoughts too much.

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izimbra · 14/11/2024 08:42

Mebebecat · 13/11/2024 23:51

DS is British military and because of his skills is often deployed with US troops. They love him, he is great at what he does but he is often the only Brit there! It's absolutely ridiculous that the US has somehow been made to take responsibility for the western world. Why should they?
NATO peace keepers in Kosovo have 600 US service personnel on the ground. There are 40 British soldiers there. That's crazy and it's obvious why the US resent it. At least the British are equipped and useful. Some of the other nations represented are not even allowed off the base they are such a liability.

"It's absolutely ridiculous that the US has somehow been made to take responsibility for the western world. Why should they?"

Because they have more resources than everyone else - ie, 'from each according to ability, to each according to need' - and because they've also benefited from the protection and promotion of stable governments and democracy across large swathes of the globe.

ItsAllAboutTheBass7 · 14/11/2024 08:46

Littlemissgobby · 13/11/2024 22:36

I’m thinking you don’t realise this isn’t about other peoples opinions. This isn’t about u voted for Republican that’s okay normally any other Republican president I would say fine . However with this guy He’s very like an unleashed cannon basically he’s got now Elon Musk it’s gonna rip up the regulations in America destroy loads of stuff because it suits his Business. Plus you’ve now got him too close to Russia. We are talking about security of America here. As somebody that lives in Britain I cannot understand how you are not scared for her goddamn security because of Russia gets over into Ukraine the likelihood is they’re gonna push to Europe.

His first foreign policy could see withdrawal of US involvement in areas of conflict around the world. He's called for peace many times. I'm hoping this is true and leads to a more stable world. It's been very unstable in recent times. I think all any person wants is a peaceful world, whether we ever get that only time will tell 🙏

Littlemissgobby · 14/11/2024 08:47

ItsAllAboutTheBass7 · 14/11/2024 08:46

His first foreign policy could see withdrawal of US involvement in areas of conflict around the world. He's called for peace many times. I'm hoping this is true and leads to a more stable world. It's been very unstable in recent times. I think all any person wants is a peaceful world, whether we ever get that only time will tell 🙏

So basically, this is just like Donald Trump. The reason why he just did a successful transfer yesterday was because he got his own way. So basically, to get peace in the world, we have to allow dictators like pouting, to get their own way and take over ukraine.Is that what you are saying?Because that's exactly what's going to happen

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Parker231 · 14/11/2024 08:52

LifeExperience · 13/11/2024 19:52

As a retired American military officer I can tell you that Ukraine has been fucked from the beginning. Ukraine was never going to win the war. Never. From the very beginning it was a lost cause and at no point has it ever been anything but a lost cause. Even with hundreds of millions of dollars from the US and NATO, they were never going to win without the US putting American boots on the ground against Putin.

So ask yourself, did you really want two nuclear superpowers slugging it out in your backyard? Even tactical nukes can make things...very unpleasant. It's a shame about Ukraine, but not all wars are winnable.

So what’s your suggestion - hand Ukraine over to Putin and then wait for him to move onto Poland?

Perhaps America should accept their southern border is also a lost cause and hand over Texas to the immigrants?

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