Thread 11 Starmer: Will that Phone Call Be To Harris or to Trump? (the decidedly superior looking cats thread)

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New thread.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5195566-thread-10-starmer-first-female-chancellor-delivers-the-budget?page=40&reply=139578573

Yay!

We had the were working on it letter with a year and then a few months later a 4year award. His is until 2028.

I'm jealous of 2030 😂

Oh that’s brilliant news PickaChew that feeling of relief is immense & stops those anxious thoughts at the back of your mind.

Sam Coates (Sky News) posted a tweet about Starmer being out of the country and disabled replies

Is this what journalism is now, post and run?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gpwz3qyr0o

Boris Johnson’s government blocked a request to fund another 10,000 hospital beds at the height of the Covid pandemic, the chief executive of NHS England has said.

Amanda Pritchard told the UK Covid-19 Inquiry the decision, made by the Treasury in July 2020, had been “very disappointing”.

Extra beds and staff would have been used to cut waiting lists for planned care and “build resilience” going into a second winter wave of the pandemic, she said.

The government has said it cannot comment while the inquiry is in progress.

Saint Kemi at the Post Office enquiry...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/nov/11/post-office-inquiry-kemikaze-kemi-badenoch

TL;DR is that he wanted his mates to get the gig.

Jenny Harries seems to have got off fairly lightly having given her evidence on the two days after Trump got elected.

But 40 whole new hospitals though…

I there still a Covid inquiry thread @DuncinToffee?

Just leave this here ...

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2024/nov/12/daily-mail-publisher-wins-echr-case-success-fees-lawyers

Presumably the Daily Mail will now be opposing the Tories war on human rights.

I seem to have lost that thread so I am not sure if it is still running.

Here is a clip from Jennie Harris

https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1855332979587125473

That woman could give a slippery eel a run for its money.

She could take Boris on in a meaningless waffle contest and not be at a disadvantage.

I have this one still in my Watch list. But no new activity since early September.
www.mumsnet.com/talk/in_the_news/4946971-dominic-c-covid-evidence-2?page=8

There was a lot of that. We did acknowledge aerosol transmission from the start it was just what % of spread was from aerosols. Which presumably explains why most of the advice throughout has been wash your hands and there has been little about aerosols.

The bit I’m interested in is the questions from the lawyer representing families affected by long covid. It was Harries that made the statement about children not being affected by Covid and she dodged the question about when she informed the public that it wasn’t the case and that it was now clear that there is a risk to children from catching Covid. (Mostly because she never corrected it).
The follow up was about whether UKHSA had ever informed the public and her answer is basically ‘no, not our remit.’ UKHSA is what was created when the Tories dismantled PHE. This absolutely would have been under the PHE remit as a public health issue.

This largely backs up one of the chief complaints at the time that replacing PHE with UKHSA whose remit only appears to be data we no longer have a body responsible for public health information and campaigns. Thanks, Boris.

I’m hoping these are in the right order because phone won’t let me copy and paste from the transcript.

Can I put the point a different way might be my favourite attempt at ‘just just answer the fucking question.’

It's a total waste of time and money to go over the COVID years. Mainly because whatever the "findings" nothing will change, and even if it did, it won't stay that way.

The main learning is really when the next pandemic is picked up, we need to have a clear strategy of either saving lives, or saving money (i.e. the economy) and stuck to it. Not try and pretend we can do both. Because - although the UK isn't alone here - lying and pretending you are doing both will result in neither.

I don't think there's even been an acknowledgement that there will be another pandemic has there ? Not COVID - that's as dated as crimpolene. But there will be another.

But making that plan is exactly why we need to go over the covid years, surely?
Plus I want to see wrongdoing punished.

Technically speaking we are still in the middle of a pandemic, we are just pretending we aren’t. The next pandemic may be much closer now due to the election of Trump. The US currently has a big problem with avian flu in cattle and possibly pigs. And a number of human cases.

Admittedly they don’t know how big the issues are because farmers can refuse authorities permission to enter farms to test animals.

Health vs economy is a false dichotomy. If you focus on economy you end up screwing health and the economy.

Thanks Spandauer, I was looking for the wrong key words, forgotten it had Dom C in the title.

I’d falsely remembered you as having started it @DuncinToffee. Thanks for linking it @Spandauer.

Thing is we had a plan, and scrapped it thanks to austerity.

Technically speaking we are still in the middle of a pandemic, we are just pretending we aren’t.

We are also still in an ice age ....

But we were also following the wrong plan. And had to scrap it because it became obvious it wasn’t working fairly on.

And there were so many aspects of this that went wrong and affected people’s lives that I think people do deserve answers.

Health vs economy is a false dichotomy.

Not according to the majority of MN ...

If you focus on economy you end up screwing health and the economy.

Which was warned about at the time.

Rather uncharacteristically, I can cut the last government some slack in that they were faced with something really out of the blue, and with the unknown you will be feeling your way for some part. Perfection wasn't expected, and some mistakes were forgivable. Even the dodgy contracts to a degree. One thing JRM did say which I vaguely supported was you don't ring around for quotes if your house is burning down (I paraphrase).

However that doesn't excuse the naked profiteering, plus the deliberately bonkers decisions around the timing of lockdowns. Quite aside from the appalling behaviour of ministers which legitimised the social divide COVID caused and gave the moronic masses a feeling they were somehow right about absolutely everything.