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If you are someone who drives down a slip road towards a busy dual carriageway with no intention of stopping ….

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EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 30/10/2024 14:49

Where do you think the cars are going to go if they is no space to go into the outside lane?

There is a really bad junction I’m currently dealing with every day. He cars come down the slip road in convoy. No ability for me to slot inbetween and they show absolutely no sign of slowing down to wait to join the trunk road. If I have a car on my right, where do these people think I’m going to avoid a collision?

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buffyspikefaith · 30/10/2024 17:27

Imjustlikeyou · 30/10/2024 17:24

You do have the right of way, however those cars on the slip road are not meant to stop on the slip road - therefore you need to be giving them the space to join. Either speed up so they can join behind, slow down so they can join ahead or move into the right lane. If both drivers aren’t being selfish arses it’s very easy to achieve.

No but they have to give way
If you can't join then you would have to stop as you can't either blindly drive into traffic or use the hard shoulder

BookishType · 30/10/2024 17:27

I move over when a junction is approaching.

Or I slow down to enable cars to join.

akkakk · 30/10/2024 17:28

Imjustlikeyou · 30/10/2024 17:24

You do have the right of way, however those cars on the slip road are not meant to stop on the slip road - therefore you need to be giving them the space to join. Either speed up so they can join behind, slow down so they can join ahead or move into the right lane. If both drivers aren’t being selfish arses it’s very easy to achieve.

There is no such thing as right of way in UK traffic law ;) it is only mentioned once in the Highway Code to say that it doesn't exist...

ref. stopping - see my post above, if traffic is too solid you stop.

yes, you are right - courteous drivers will adapt where possible - but at no point is there an expectation that they should - but a bonus if they do - it is all on the driver on the slip road to adapt and stop otherwise. The issue we have is that as is clear from the number of inaccurate responses on here, too many drivers have an entitled sense of expectation that those on the motorway will give way and therefore don't feel any obligation to think about what is happening and blunder into someone else...

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TheYearOfSmallThings · 30/10/2024 17:28

BlueEyedLeucy · 30/10/2024 14:52

I may be misunderstanding but in these situations it should be zipper merging. If you’re in the left lane and can’t move to the right, you adjust your speed to let a car in, as does the car behind, etc. The slip road shouldn’t have to stop to join a busy road.

Agree.

indignantpigmy · 30/10/2024 17:29

I have this problem but directly after the slip road on is the slip road off that I need to take, if I pull out I can't get back in. I put my left indicator going as I approach the slip road on and pray. If I were to miss my exit I would need to detour for several miles. I was always told that the it was the responsibility of the joining traffic to to merge, traffic on the road should not have to slow or alter direction though it is common courtesy to do so if possible.

From the highway code

3. Joining the motorway (259)
259
Joining the motorway. When you join the motorway you will normally approach it from a road on the left (a slip road) or from an adjoining motorway. You should

  • give priority to traffic already on the motorway
  • check the traffic on the motorway and match your speed to fit safely into the traffic flow in the left-hand lane
  • not cross solid white lines that separate lanes or use the hard shoulder
  • stay on the slip road if it continues as an extra lane on the motorway
  • remain in the left-hand lane long enough to adjust to the speed of traffic before considering overtaking.
CharlotteLucas3 · 30/10/2024 17:30

If you move over, you can't get back into the slow lane because everyone starts undertaking!!

Imjustlikeyou · 30/10/2024 17:32

@buffyspikefaith but never in my personal 15 years of driving have I not been able to give way to cars joining from the slip road in one way or another. Neither have I ever seen cars stopped/queuing on the slip road.

buffyspikefaith · 30/10/2024 17:33

Imjustlikeyou · 30/10/2024 17:32

@buffyspikefaith but never in my personal 15 years of driving have I not been able to give way to cars joining from the slip road in one way or another. Neither have I ever seen cars stopped/queuing on the slip road.

I had to stop once as I said above because some dick blocked me despite me matching my speed etc, it was terrifying
Queuing on a slip road I've seen a fair few times but that's mostly when I've gone "yeah that motorway is fucked" and sailed back round the roundabout to not join!

Littlemisscapable · 30/10/2024 17:35

U aren't winning anything.. you are driving too fast and not anticipating what you already know is coming..this isn't a problem.

YarkYark · 30/10/2024 17:37

The onus is on the joining traffic to match the speed of the traffic on the dual carriageway, then zipper into the left lane. That's what the give way markings on the slip road intend. Traffic on the DC doesn't have to move over, if everyone leaves proper space on the main and the joining road it will all work fine. When it does't work is when traffic tailgates down the sliproad (which is what the OP is describing, I think) and/or traffic on the DC is also too close. But if you are driving in the left lane of the DC at 70 there is no need at all to move to the right as you pass a junction, let the joiners drive properly. They are joining your road, not the other way round.

Another2Cats · 30/10/2024 17:38

Imjustlikeyou · 30/10/2024 17:32

@buffyspikefaith but never in my personal 15 years of driving have I not been able to give way to cars joining from the slip road in one way or another. Neither have I ever seen cars stopped/queuing on the slip road.

"Neither have I ever seen cars stopped/queuing on the slip road."

Come to my city, it is not an uncommon occurrence at peak times.

Rooftileswithmoss · 30/10/2024 17:39

The Highway code is clear on this:

When you join the motorway you will normally approach it from a road on the left (a slip road) or from an adjoining motorway. You should:

give priority to traffic already on the motorway

check the traffic on the motorway and match your speed to fit safely into the traffic flow in the left-hand lane

So many people on here confidently giving out erroneous information as fact...

sandyhappypeople · 30/10/2024 17:42

ComingBackHome · 30/10/2024 16:51

@sandyhappypeople the problem here is that I've seen people forcing their way regardless of the size of the space between cars or speed
They don’t just expect you to vaguely slow down (which you’re not obligated to do)l they expect you to give them way.

yes, I've seen the 'good lucky everybodeeee!' drivers, it would be extremely unusual to get 4 of them in a row all tightly squeezed together, so I don't think that was OPs issue as such, she just saw them all coming, assumed they would come straight out and panicked... if she had time to speed past all 4 of them I would suggest she was panicking over nothing.

Sometimes it's like a game of chicken, as there are bad/selfish drivers everywhere and they will try to force their way through, but at the end of the day if they joined and hit you they would be at fault, so it's not very likely to happen, unless you are in their blind spot.. but if you are in their blind spot that means at point of joining they are slightly ahead of you and it is courteous to let them over anyway by slacking off the accelerator.

Googleitbaby · 30/10/2024 17:45

You're supposed to match the speed of the traffic and no one should be looking to actually stop..... Unless they really have to but it's not the intended use of these junctions. So if there isn't a suitable gap to merge then you and the other cars on the main carriageway are perhaps too close to one another? Also the people on the main carriageway are supposed to maintain their speed so the mergers can match this, however since no one seems to know how to drive, this rarely works. The driving in this country is appalling and clearly we are doing something wrong when teaching and testing for driving.

BurntBroccoli · 30/10/2024 17:46

I always adjust my speed to let the driver in from the slip road if I can't move to the right.
I've found that many do not! In which case you end up having to stop when you run out of slip road which is awful.

SweetSakura · 30/10/2024 17:46

SirChenjins · 30/10/2024 16:11

Indicating doesn't mean other drivers are required to let you in esp if it's not safe to do so - again, so many drivers seem to think flashing their indicator means they have priority in a lane change.

Of course not, but it tells them your wishes and enables them to create a gap if safe

Googleitbaby · 30/10/2024 17:48

Oh and also my DH is always getting himself trapped on the lane they want to merge to because of other cars to his right but this is usually poor planning on his part. There are enough signs before a slip and you can usually adjust your speed to not have someone blocking you to the right

SweetSakura · 30/10/2024 17:49

CharlotteLucas3 · 30/10/2024 17:30

If you move over, you can't get back into the slow lane because everyone starts undertaking!!

Huh? Please explain?

SweetSakura · 30/10/2024 17:49

CharlotteLucas3 · 30/10/2024 17:30

If you move over, you can't get back into the slow lane because everyone starts undertaking!!

Huh? Please explain?

Chenecinquantecinq · 30/10/2024 17:51

They adjust speed to let you in or move to the overtaking lane. You always join at a decent speed (unless there is a traffic jam of course).

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 30/10/2024 17:52

Littlemisscapable · 30/10/2024 17:35

U aren't winning anything.. you are driving too fast and not anticipating what you already know is coming..this isn't a problem.

I was driving at exactly the right speed for the conditions so that’s just not correct. It’s a road with average speed cameras all the way down it so no one is speeding. I was also braking to try and accommodate the cars but when I knew that wasn’t going to work I accelerated infront of them. What I haven’t got is a ‘disappear the car’ button.

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BurntBroccoli · 30/10/2024 17:52

yarnbarn · 30/10/2024 15:11

People are misreading o think. OP is on the slip road wondering about the traffic behind her?

Yes I think people have misread - OP is the one on the slip road joining the motorway.

One poster said she was a dick first speeding up, I think she meant she had to accelerate hard to get in front of someone who hadn't slowed (and created a gap) to let her in.
The dick here is the person not letting her in!

sandyhappypeople · 30/10/2024 17:52

CharlotteLucas3 · 30/10/2024 17:30

If you move over, you can't get back into the slow lane because everyone starts undertaking!!

If that's the case, it means you are going a lot slower than the joining traffic and should have stayed in lane and held back slightly to let them in instead.

BobLemon · 30/10/2024 17:53

I’d often wondered what goes through some drivers minds. This is quite a scary insight.

SnakesAndArrows · 30/10/2024 17:54

BurntBroccoli · 30/10/2024 17:52

Yes I think people have misread - OP is the one on the slip road joining the motorway.

One poster said she was a dick first speeding up, I think she meant she had to accelerate hard to get in front of someone who hadn't slowed (and created a gap) to let her in.
The dick here is the person not letting her in!

No she isn’t. She’s on the main carriageway.

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