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If you are someone who drives down a slip road towards a busy dual carriageway with no intention of stopping ….

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EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 30/10/2024 14:49

Where do you think the cars are going to go if they is no space to go into the outside lane?

There is a really bad junction I’m currently dealing with every day. He cars come down the slip road in convoy. No ability for me to slot inbetween and they show absolutely no sign of slowing down to wait to join the trunk road. If I have a car on my right, where do these people think I’m going to avoid a collision?

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SirChenjins · 30/10/2024 15:08

SensibleSigma · 30/10/2024 15:06

It’s new, apparently. As in, I was taught that the cars joining must match and merge. Now they are taught the cars already on must make space.

It would really help if they publicise changes to what new drivers are taught.

Are they? My son is learning to drive and he's taught according to the Highway Code - drivers joining adjust speed and merge.

Ozanj · 30/10/2024 15:10

SirChenjins · 30/10/2024 15:08

Are they? My son is learning to drive and he's taught according to the Highway Code - drivers joining adjust speed and merge.

Yes DSD was taught to adjust speed and merge too & to always give way to cars on the slip road. I do know her driving instructer was trying to get a petition to force drivers on dual carriageways / motorways to give way to slip roads as he felt most motorway accidents could be avoided if that were the case.

doodleschnoodle · 30/10/2024 15:11

Well of course drivers joining need to adjust, but if you have a group of cars driving closely together at 70 and not adjusting their behaviour either then you'll end up to having to go dangerously slow or come to a stop. Keeping roads safe is a collaborative effort, and involves awareness of what's going on. See a car coming from the left and can't move over? Slow down a bit to widen the gap between you and car in front so they can get in.

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yarnbarn · 30/10/2024 15:11

People are misreading o think. OP is on the slip road wondering about the traffic behind her?

TentEntWenTyfOur · 30/10/2024 15:12

When I drive down a slip road to join a busy dual carriageway (which I do every day), I look to see where the gaps in traffic are and try to match my speed with the gap. When it's really busy and people already on the carriageway can't pull into the other lane, I very much appreciate the few who see me and slow down a little to create a gap for me to pull into in front of them.

ComingBackHome · 30/10/2024 15:12

Legally, the car on the slip road is supposed to match the speed of the cars on the motorway and slot in when there is a space.

In reality, about half of the population thinks the cars on the motorway should make space as if they have priority ….

In practice, it’s probably easier to slow down A BIT to leave a gap.
And safer as putting your brakes down to let pass is even more dangerous. Some people won’t see it that way agd will push through unfortunately

Completelyjo · 30/10/2024 15:14

yarnbarn · 30/10/2024 15:11

People are misreading o think. OP is on the slip road wondering about the traffic behind her?

OP very much seems to be on the road which the cars on the slip road a joining, and getting irrationally angry that they dare to attempt to join without coming to a stop. Slip roads joining a motorway aren’t designed for cars to slow down and wait to join.

“No ability for me to slot inbetween and they show absolutely no sign of slowing down to wait to join the trunk road.”

ComingBackHome · 30/10/2024 15:14

As for the idea of a convoy…
They simply can’t go on the motorway as a group of 4 or 5 cars.

kirinm · 30/10/2024 15:15

You aren't meant to stop. You're meant to merge and to do that, other drivers need to move.

yarnbarn · 30/10/2024 15:16

@EvangelicalAboutButteredToast

Can you clarify which part of the road you are on?

SirChenjins · 30/10/2024 15:16

doodleschnoodle · 30/10/2024 15:11

Well of course drivers joining need to adjust, but if you have a group of cars driving closely together at 70 and not adjusting their behaviour either then you'll end up to having to go dangerously slow or come to a stop. Keeping roads safe is a collaborative effort, and involves awareness of what's going on. See a car coming from the left and can't move over? Slow down a bit to widen the gap between you and car in front so they can get in.

Yes, agree it's a collaborative effort - drivers on the motorway should adjust their speed safely (note - not be forced to brake suddenly) and drivers merging should adjust their speed upwards or downwards and use the whole of the slip road - not career down it at 70/60 and immediately come onto the motorway/dual carriageway and expect the drivers already on the main road to suddenly create a space for them. I see so much of the latter.

ComingBackHome · 30/10/2024 15:16

Completelyjo · 30/10/2024 15:14

OP very much seems to be on the road which the cars on the slip road a joining, and getting irrationally angry that they dare to attempt to join without coming to a stop. Slip roads joining a motorway aren’t designed for cars to slow down and wait to join.

“No ability for me to slot inbetween and they show absolutely no sign of slowing down to wait to join the trunk road.”

Well they also should legally give way to the cars on the motorway so…..

What happens when it’s extremely busy is that the cars on the slip road stop.
They stop and wait for a gap.
Regardless of whether they were designed for that. They can’t and legally shouldn’t push through.

LittleRedRidingHoody · 30/10/2024 15:17

TinaYouFatLard · 30/10/2024 14:55

If I am aware of a junction like this I move into the right hand lane well in advance.

I do this. Pretty sure I don't have to, but seems the considerate thing to do. Also I hate coming off the slip onto the motorway, so I feel for the drivers 😂

ImNunTheWiser · 30/10/2024 15:17

SirChenjins · 30/10/2024 15:08

Are they? My son is learning to drive and he's taught according to the Highway Code - drivers joining adjust speed and merge.

Interesting. My DD failed her first test, two years ago, due to slowing down on a slip road in order to join the traffic. It was considered a ‘Serious Fault’ ie considered potentially dangerous, and therefore a fail.

She was joining the road from a slip road that due to its position and angle, did not offer sight of the road until she was already on the slip road. There was a long lorry approaching and traffic in the other lane, so no opportunity for the lorry to move. So she had a choice to either significantly speed up and try to get ahead (a move she considered dangerous) or slow down and slot in behind. She chose the latter and failed her test.

CocoapuffPuff · 30/10/2024 15:18

Ease off the acceleration and allow one car to slip into the gap that creates between you and the car that was in front of you. No stomping on brakes. Its about you using your head in advance of a situation that clearly happens with some frequency.
Are you seriously expecting a slip road to be used like a "give way"?
How'd you like to join a motorway from 0mph?

BlueEyedLeucy · 30/10/2024 15:18

SirChenjins · 30/10/2024 14:56

No, the person joining adjusts their speed upwards or downwards to join without causing the person on the motorway to have to brake. Drivers on the motorway have priority - Highway Code 259. If you know the road and can move over into the right lane in time then great, but drivers joining shouldn't expect this - but many do apparently.

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That works if there’s one single car to avoid, yes. I’m think more the ‘rush hour nose to tail motorway scenario with a slip land full of traffic trying to merge.

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 30/10/2024 15:18

You're not meant to stop on a slip road (unless the traffic on the motorway/dual carriageway is also at a standstill) - it's dangerous. So literally all safe drivers will have "no intention of stopping" on a slip road.

Both drivers, the one on the slip road and the one on the main road, should adjust their speed as necessary to enable the slip road traffic to merge. That might mean speeding up slightly, slowing down slightly, or moving into the next lane - but you're aiming to create a gap for the car merging.

SirChenjins · 30/10/2024 15:19

Slip roads joining a motorway aren’t designed for cars to slow down and wait to join

Do you mean they're not designed for cars to stop? Because they're very much designed for cars to slow down if needed in order to merge safely.

Meadowfinch · 30/10/2024 15:20

newbeggins · 30/10/2024 15:05

It is very dangerous to stop. You must merge and the approaching traffic needs to adjust their speed to accommodate their merge

This. Slip roads are to allow people to adjust their speed and filter in. Cars on the slip road aren't meant to stop, OP. They are supposed to filter in like a zipper, unless the traffic on the dual carriage way is at a complete stop.

I've never had a problem.

Twins3007 · 30/10/2024 15:20

doodleschnoodle · 30/10/2024 15:08

Honestly I've never really experienced this because if I see cars on a slip road then I'm already adjusting my speed and distance to car in front to allow them to merge in if the right hand lane is totally full. If you are doggedly sticking to 70 and causing a car to come to a full stop on a slip road, then that's just as dangerous. Slip roads are so they can join the road at an appropriate speed.

Exactly

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 30/10/2024 15:21

CocoapuffPuff · 30/10/2024 15:18

Ease off the acceleration and allow one car to slip into the gap that creates between you and the car that was in front of you. No stomping on brakes. Its about you using your head in advance of a situation that clearly happens with some frequency.
Are you seriously expecting a slip road to be used like a "give way"?
How'd you like to join a motorway from 0mph?

Yes, this. Look at the road ahead and plan.

The OP is very misinformed about road safety if she thinks slip roads should be treated like a give way sign.

Icedbear · 30/10/2024 15:21

If you're on the road they're merging into, they should match the speed of the traffic on the road, and you're supposed to let them in, slowing to do so, if you haven't allowed enough time to move out and let them in.

AgathaMystery · 30/10/2024 15:21

TinaYouFatLard · 30/10/2024 14:55

If I am aware of a junction like this I move into the right hand lane well in advance.

Same. There is one near my house. I shift over about 5 mins earlier than I need to as it’s so hellish.

FireMelon · 30/10/2024 15:22

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 30/10/2024 15:04

This time I managed to accelerate hard and get infront of the first car.

And other times? I assume none of these cars joining the carriageway are just crashing into you or other drivers?

SirChenjins · 30/10/2024 15:22

ImNunTheWiser · 30/10/2024 15:17

Interesting. My DD failed her first test, two years ago, due to slowing down on a slip road in order to join the traffic. It was considered a ‘Serious Fault’ ie considered potentially dangerous, and therefore a fail.

She was joining the road from a slip road that due to its position and angle, did not offer sight of the road until she was already on the slip road. There was a long lorry approaching and traffic in the other lane, so no opportunity for the lorry to move. So she had a choice to either significantly speed up and try to get ahead (a move she considered dangerous) or slow down and slot in behind. She chose the latter and failed her test.

Poor girl, but yes - you should adjust your speed safely upwards or downwards. 259 - 'check the traffic on the motorway and match your speed to fit safely into the traffic flow in the left-hand lane'.

Merging is a nightmare - I still don't like it after almost 40 years of driving.