If you are someone who drives down a slip road towards a busy dual carriageway with no intention of stopping ….

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Where do you think the cars are going to go if they is no space to go into the outside lane?

There is a really bad junction I’m currently dealing with every day. He cars come down the slip road in convoy. No ability for me to slot inbetween and they show absolutely no sign of slowing down to wait to join the trunk road. If I have a car on my right, where do these people think I’m going to avoid a collision?

I expect them to have gaps inbetween them and be trying to slot in around cars already on the dual carriageway.

But that's what you have to do it you can't join
Thankfully it's only happened to me once when some dick towing a caravan deliberately blocked my from joining (I sped up, he sped up, I slowed, he slowed) and thought it was funny

I was just thinking the exact same thing. It explains why there's so many accidents though.

It happens all the time - and some of the posts on here show that there are drivers out there who believe that the drivers on the trunk roads are required to facilitate their merging at whatever speed they so choose. It's common sense to leave a gap for merging traffic to go into of course, no-one wants an accident, but it's not a legal requirement - the cars merging are responsible for their manoeuvre.

If I am aware of a junction like this I move into the right hand lane well in advance

This what I do, I drive past one of these junctions every day and I'm always into the right hand lane pretty much as soon as I've driven past the off-slip for the junction. That's what I was taught on the Pass Plus course.

Indicate to show you wish to move. Speed up to get out into it?

I think you would benefit from some advanced driving/motorway driving lessons

I see this all the time complete bellend drivers who make zero effort to accommodate joining traffic by moving over or adjusting speed
they’d sooner cause an accident than take action
forcing traffic to stop on a slip rd is beyond dangerous as they then have to join from a standing start

This thread is now posted on pistonheads so expect some new contributions here :-)

Indicating doesn't mean other drivers are required to let you in esp if it's not safe to do so - again, so many drivers seem to think flashing their indicator means they have priority in a lane change.

Because the cars are trying to access the road in one long line not accounting for the fact I’m on the road already. Imagine a huge HGV coming at you from the slip road Same speed, no ability for me to move to the right as cars are flowing past. I either have to an accelerate to get in front or brake heavily to allow the length of the HGV to get in front.

My question was where do these people think I’m going? My assumption is that they believe they will push me into the outside lane but it’s occupied. Plus I’m taking the next junction which is straight after this one and I need to be in the left hand lane. It’s bizarre but then the replies on this thread explain why this is happening. Everyone thinks they are in the right.

Excellent. Link to it so I can see what the men are saying.

Phew - we need the men to keep us right

The lack of braking distance is a big contributor. It’s gone out of fashion, from what I can see. Damn hard to acquire and keep braking distance these days.

I can’t move into the right lane as there are a flow of cars in that lane moving faster than me. I also have cars baring down on the slip road to merge coming at a fast speed with no tangible gaps inbetween. I just don’t know where they think I’m going to accommodate them

Whatever the letter of the Highway Code is, to my mind it needs to be a bit of a team effort when it's busy. The right hand lane drivers should be expecting some people in the left hand lane to want to move across to accommodate those joining from the slip road. Those on the slip neeed to be watching the speed of the carriageway and merging in turn if necessary. It does all work if everyone is paying attention.

They think your ether going to slow down or move across if possible

the same question to you where do u think they are going to go

I agree with them, it is a disturbing read how many people believe that the ones joining a motorway have priority.

I pondered this in terms of an insurance claim. We are always told that if an accident occurs from pulling out onto a main road the duty of care lies with the person pulling out of the side road. Is that the same for a slip road?

Presumably she thinks they're going to adjust their speed upwards or downwards, use the entire slip road and merge in turn - like wot they're supposed to

Into the bloody side of me!!!!

thats what I thought. But seemingly no.

Yep - the drivers on the trunk road have priority.

www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t=2097880

Everyone involved should be leaving enough space that they can merge in - so people on the road, seeing the junction coming up, just leave a little more space from the car in front, and people coming on, leave a bit of space so you can zip together.

When it works it's a thing of beauty, but it only takes one jerk speeding up to close a gap or nipping in where there not really room to ruin it all.

Well thank god for some sensible replies.

I was taught during my pass plus motorway driving lessons that the driver on the motorway/dual carriageway has the priority so it is the person joining via the slip way that needs to adjust their speed to merge safely onto the main carriageway.

I was also taught to move over to the right wherever possible when approaching a junction, in anticipation of cars merging, rather than wait to see if cars are merging and then moving over as a knee jerk reaction.

So basically, if you can move over in advance, you should. If you can't move over, the driver who is merging needs to adjust. The car on the motorway is in their right to continue as they are. The merging drivers' manoeuvre shouldn't cause other drivers to change their speed or road position. But because it's better to all be considerate of each other, if I can't move to the right I will try my best to accommodate merging cars safely so as they aren't forced into stopping.

Motorways aren't too bad as they have nice long slip roads, but some dual carriageway slip roads are hair-raising!