why is Kelly Jay Keen banned from mumsnet?

[chrisharwood]

I just wondered why Kelly Jay Keen banned from mumsnet?
seems odd as its a site for Mums and children and KJK is trying to stop indoctrination and mutilation of children and protecting womens spaces and rights?

Don’t know who she is. Just bored of the endless outrage about the issue - which impacts such an astonishingly small percentage of the population.

51% isn't a small percentage of the population. (The issue impacts all women and girls).

Oh sorry, you were posting on a thread started about a particular person so I assumed you knew who that particular person was, my bad, apologies.

And you are absolutely not allowed a moderate opinion, you must be vehemently anti-trans or you are, by default, a brainwashed non-thinker who hates women

also rubbish

I was responding to the claim that everyone was subject to the same rules. They were not. Not by a long shot.

The one that got her perma-banned (after a long time teetering on the edge with multiple suspensions for breaking TGs) was saying, in as many words, that trans people should not have children, and that if they did, it constituted child abuse.

😓

I do think that the issue of men taking a cocktail of drugs in order to produce a chemical secretion in order to fulfil their want to "breast feed" their partner's new born baby is extremely questionable.
Ditto the potential harm to the developing fetus of the pregnant "woman's" use of testosterone. Elaine Miller had some interesting observations about the size and health of the placenta in those particular pregnancies. There really does need to be some serious research into the effects on the babies, rather than just the demands of the men.
Given that women are constantly harangued about what they eat, what they drink, and what medication they are allowed to take (almost none) during pregnancy and breast feeding. I find it strange that the same restrictions do not apply to a certain group.

@tissueboxandcandles none of those things were KJK’s point at the time. Her position was (and still is) that trans people in general should not be permitted to be parents. All trans people, whenever they transitioned, however they came to be parents, regardless.

Assuming you’re not agreeing with that undeniably transphobic position, it would make a nice change to not have the thread derailed into picking apart the reproductive choices of some trans people.

In the absence of any posts i have no idea what KJK was saying before she was banned

as i have seen posts deleted for fairly innocuous reasons i am loathe to agree that her posts were heinous ….i just don’t know 🤷🏻

@RufustheFactuaIReindeer It’s really not hard to find receipts that she goes beyond safeguarding concerns and into clear cut transphobia.

Believe what you want to believe, but don’t kid yourself it’s based on sound judgement. KJK is, and has been for a very long time, vehemently and vocally against trans people being treated equitably.

Recent examples of her stance include that trans and non binary people should not be employed, or rented housing.

Believe what you want to believe, but don’t kid yourself it’s based on sound judgement

i have heard what she has said since leaving mumsnet, i do not agree with everything that she says (that’ll be the sound judgement kicking in 😉)

but my point still stands, that in the absence of any mumsnet posts i am unable to see what she said that lead to a banning

you have absolutely no idea of my views on KJK…

You did just state your views on the discussion about her banning from MN.

Your judgement (and shrug) regarding it as probably innocuous, in the face of masses of hours of recording and writing of hers on this topic - it’s laughable.

The OP asked why she was banned.

People who were here on mn at the time have answered.

And here you are you, chipping in with comments that undermine those answers and minimise actual evidenced transphobia.

And i have said its hard to tell what specifically got her banned from mumsnet without seeing evidence of it

You may have evidenced transphobia, happy to agree with that if she has been transphobic on her podcasts etc

but you don’t have evidenced transphobia on mumsnet

Apologies…

evidence of any transphobic posts she may have made on mumsnet

I'll spell it out to you. I'm pretty sure she got banned because she was transphobic. And it must have been pretty bad, because some of the stuff left to stand is bad enough.

And it must have been pretty bad, because some of the stuff left to stand is bad enough

so you do have evidence on mumsnet. Well quite obviously that changes everything…i haven’t seen many posts of hers on here

I meant some of the posts on the "feminism" board, not particularly by KJK.

And that's my personal opinion only, which is why I've hidden the board.

Oh FFS
She's not here to defend what she actually said and no, KJK doesn't think that and hasn't said that.

It's more mythology "terfs are out there who want to kill trans people....."

Gotcha, thank you for clarifying

I guess only MN know why then.

She has said exactly this in videos on her YouTube channel.

She’s not hiding her explicitly transphobic views - no “mythology” involved.

Adding your invented hyperbole doesn’t make this not true.

She was talking about the protected characteristic of TRANS which doesn't exist.

So if an employer wants to not employ a man who says they are a woman and who would want to access female spaces and overstep the boundaries of the women that currently work there, then it should be ok to say no to employing him.

And if a housing officer is faced with placing a man who says he is a woman in a female only house for example, then they should be allowed to not put that person in there for the safety and dignity of the females already living there.

Why is it 'transphobic' to have concerns about females and their health, safety and dignity and the fact that if they object to men in their spaces and housing, they are likely to lose their jobs and housing over it?