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Chris Kaba - why was there a prosecution?

163 replies

whenemmafallsinlove · 22/10/2024 14:50

I have only seen the recent coverage but it seems undisputed that this man was in a car involved in a violent crime, he had a history of involvement in violent crime and in being stopped he used the car as a weapon to try and get away which endangered everybody around him including the police.
So was the potential crime the amount of force used? Because otherwise it seems hard to understand and I can completely appreciate why so many officers laid down arms as a result.
Please explain!

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KungFuKitten · 23/10/2024 09:05

ticktickticktickBOOM · 23/10/2024 08:32

Good riddance.

Lambeth got a tinsy bit safer that night.

Sadly someone will take his place in the chain .

DinahSlade · 23/10/2024 09:05

When you think of that woman in jail over a tweet.. inciting violence apparently, she'd never committed a crime in her life and she got 3 years or something.
And yet this foul London gang of murderers and criminals that Kaba was part of, can publicly offer 10k reward to anyone that murders that poor police officer. And that isn't inciting violence?
The disparity in the law in this country is horrific, I have no faith in justice at all.

Woahbodyforrrrm · 23/10/2024 09:06

With every breath CK took, he was a danger to other people whether that was women, youngsters recruited for county lines, rival gang members or innocent people who could get caught up in the cross fire of one of his shootings or are victim of mistaken identity when going about their business.

This is the perfect definition of karma. What goes around, comes around.

It's a disgrace that the officer involved was named publicly when CK's gangland history was kept under wraps to allow an unbiased trial. The officer has been thrown under a bus and is now at risk of retribution from the scumbag associates of CK, it's sickening.

Of course it's sad that a mum has lost her son as the love she has is unconditional, but she has to accept that they bear some of the weight of responsibility for his life taking the turn that it did when he took to a life of crime as a child.

As a mum who lives in an area where a gang operate and whose son was a robbery victim by said gang, whose life was threatened by one of them who while being handcuffed and on police body cam, told my son that next time he saw him he was going to stab him straight in the chest, I have absolutely no sympathy when these lowlifes get what's coming for them, which is usually at the hands of a rival gang member rather than a police officer.

I hope the officer is offered the highest level of protection from these shits who only see extreme violence as the answer.
London and the surrounding counties are a safer place because of his actions.

TotteringonGently · 23/10/2024 09:20

ThatOpenSwan · 22/10/2024 15:24

Because we do not have the death penalty in this country, let alone extrajudicial execution, and therefore nothing that you have mentioned should have led to his death. RIP to a man who should still be alive.

What are your thoughts on the man that he chased down the street shooting at, trying to execute like a dog? Or the people in the nightclub who were at oak when he opened fire?

Chris Kaba was always going to die a violent death with the life he chose to lead. Given how few people have died at the hands of armed police in this country, I have enormous respect for those who do the job. Especially in light of the knowledge that they can apparently be prosecuted for carrying out their duties in very difficult circumstances and have their name dragged through the mud even if a jury takes about 5 minutes to find them not guilty. I feel very sorry for Chris Kaba's parents.

herecomesautumn · 23/10/2024 09:23

To those saying "his hands were on the steering wheel"

Exactly.

They should have been above his head.

FumingTRex · 23/10/2024 09:49

Im not reading that article as saying that south london communities disagree with the verdict. What I’m taking from it as that they’ve been led to believe this was an innocent person shot almost at random, and its going to take some time to absorb what actually happened and rebuild some trust in the police.

DinahSlade · 23/10/2024 09:53

TotteringonGently · 23/10/2024 09:20

What are your thoughts on the man that he chased down the street shooting at, trying to execute like a dog? Or the people in the nightclub who were at oak when he opened fire?

Chris Kaba was always going to die a violent death with the life he chose to lead. Given how few people have died at the hands of armed police in this country, I have enormous respect for those who do the job. Especially in light of the knowledge that they can apparently be prosecuted for carrying out their duties in very difficult circumstances and have their name dragged through the mud even if a jury takes about 5 minutes to find them not guilty. I feel very sorry for Chris Kaba's parents.

I feel sorry for the parents, but I do wonder how their son ended up as such wrong 'un. I have many brothers and many sons and none have them have a criminal record, all non-violent and law-abiding. Surely we have a responsibility to raise decent citizens?

Thevelvelletes · 23/10/2024 10:36

TotteringonGently · 23/10/2024 09:20

What are your thoughts on the man that he chased down the street shooting at, trying to execute like a dog? Or the people in the nightclub who were at oak when he opened fire?

Chris Kaba was always going to die a violent death with the life he chose to lead. Given how few people have died at the hands of armed police in this country, I have enormous respect for those who do the job. Especially in light of the knowledge that they can apparently be prosecuted for carrying out their duties in very difficult circumstances and have their name dragged through the mud even if a jury takes about 5 minutes to find them not guilty. I feel very sorry for Chris Kaba's parents.

For a nightclub outing,nice clothes, aftershave....a gun and masked up.. definitely not the definition of a good person.
Look at the shootings in Liverpool when innocents get caught up in gang violence.
Community leaders now talking absolute shit.

ComtesseDeSpair · 23/10/2024 11:10

DinahSlade · 23/10/2024 09:53

I feel sorry for the parents, but I do wonder how their son ended up as such wrong 'un. I have many brothers and many sons and none have them have a criminal record, all non-violent and law-abiding. Surely we have a responsibility to raise decent citizens?

Gangs are predatory: members target young children, offering them money in return for tasks. Eventually, that’s how teenagers get caught up in county lines. If you’re a poor kid from a council estate, the well-dressed man with the good car and money to flash around offers you something better than what you feel you can aspire to by any other route. The black community in London is disproportionately low income and families are disproportionately headed by single mothers. It’s often difficult for poor, black single mothers to keep their sons away from the sort of lifestyle which seems to promise them wealth and status, and from the sort of men who they look up to as father figures in the absence of having a better one.

Which isn’t to excuse gang culture or gang members at all - simply to highlight it isn’t quite as straightforward as looking towards the family or thinking they must be to blame.

sharpclawedkitten · 23/10/2024 12:05

Sheknowsaboutme · 22/10/2024 22:00

The officer should NEVER have been named. It was his job.

Yes another reason why people should not be named unless and until found guilty.

As for the car being used as a weapon, do people remember that other awful case where a police officer was killed by someone driving a car and effectively dragged him along. He had awful injuries. I am sure any police officer would want to prevent that happening again to their colleagues.

the80sweregreat · 23/10/2024 12:08

Not read the whole thread, but the police officer being named has caused a lot of problems for him:(
Seems wrong to able to name him, but I don't know why they did this.

DinahSlade · 23/10/2024 12:26

sharpclawedkitten · 23/10/2024 12:05

Yes another reason why people should not be named unless and until found guilty.

As for the car being used as a weapon, do people remember that other awful case where a police officer was killed by someone driving a car and effectively dragged him along. He had awful injuries. I am sure any police officer would want to prevent that happening again to their colleagues.

I thought of that too, I've never forgotten it and still think of his family sometimes. I can't imagine the pain of losing a loved one to such a horrific death. It doesn't bear thinking about the pathetic little sentence the perpetrators undoubtedly got.

The people behind the decision to name this police officer but not the crimes of the man who was shot, should face consequences. Why is pur legal system always rigged against the innocent?

BobbyBiscuits · 23/10/2024 12:36

Because it's for the justice system to decide if Chris was guilty of his crimes. He deserved a trial just like everyone else. It's not the police's decision to shoot someone because they are suspected of a crime. That's not how the judicial process works.
I think he's guilty, so I shoot him dead. Sorry that's not your job.
I think he may have been a double agent. Knew too much. He might have been a trigger man for the police, and all sorts.

mllke · 23/10/2024 12:49

beachcitygirl · 23/10/2024 01:39

I don't care (in a law situation) about his past because the officer didn't know this.
People in this country are entitled to to judge and just and defence.

It's bloody disgusting- police cannot be allowed to become judge, jury & executioner
.
There are ways to subdue without lethal force and if police officers cannot do this. Then they have NO business being police offficers.
Furious at this

What about being furious that this police officer and his family have got a bounty on their head.

FancyNewt · 23/10/2024 12:49

He was guilty of trying to drive a car into officers. That was the weapon and that's why he was shot. It's nothing to do with the other shooting beforehand.

DinahSlade · 23/10/2024 12:58

And that young policeman who was killed by being dragged behind a car.. those responsible were travellers. There's another minority group that no one is allowed to speak ill of, even though everyone knows the majority of them are the lowest of low.

It's terribly concerning how bad things have become for the police forces, prison officers, probation officers. They are leaving in droves and how can we hope to replace them? The tide of endless scumbags are constantly being replaced by reproduction and immigration.

I would do anything to deter my children from joining to police. But how terrible, that it has become a profession that is completely unappealing, thankless and an alarming prospect.

ticktickticktickBOOM · 23/10/2024 13:17

Anyone that purchases illegal substances is contributing to this shitshow of child exploitation, knife and gun crime in Britain.
If people really want it to stop - stop purchasing and contributing to the demand.
No demand, no supply.

Thevelvelletes · 23/10/2024 13:20

BobbyBiscuits · 23/10/2024 12:36

Because it's for the justice system to decide if Chris was guilty of his crimes. He deserved a trial just like everyone else. It's not the police's decision to shoot someone because they are suspected of a crime. That's not how the judicial process works.
I think he's guilty, so I shoot him dead. Sorry that's not your job.
I think he may have been a double agent. Knew too much. He might have been a trigger man for the police, and all sorts.

Edited

What a load of shite.

rwalker · 23/10/2024 13:25

BobbyBiscuits · 23/10/2024 12:36

Because it's for the justice system to decide if Chris was guilty of his crimes. He deserved a trial just like everyone else. It's not the police's decision to shoot someone because they are suspected of a crime. That's not how the judicial process works.
I think he's guilty, so I shoot him dead. Sorry that's not your job.
I think he may have been a double agent. Knew too much. He might have been a trigger man for the police, and all sorts.

Edited

And I’m sure he would of got his chance if he would of stopped
but he lost that chance when he choose to try and mow officers down with the car
watch the video if your unclear on that he had numerous chances to stop and face the justice system

Stretchedresources · 23/10/2024 14:10

BobbyBiscuits · 23/10/2024 12:36

Because it's for the justice system to decide if Chris was guilty of his crimes. He deserved a trial just like everyone else. It's not the police's decision to shoot someone because they are suspected of a crime. That's not how the judicial process works.
I think he's guilty, so I shoot him dead. Sorry that's not your job.
I think he may have been a double agent. Knew too much. He might have been a trigger man for the police, and all sorts.

Edited

He wasn't shot because they thought he was guilty. He was shot for being in a a suspected car and trying to ram the armed police.

If he'd sucked it up and done his time in prison he could have possibly turned his life around in time. But his monumentally stupid and sad choice meant he was shot.

pearldiamond · 23/10/2024 14:15

Bobby biscuits - spectacularly misses the whole point.

What a Wally 😂

Thatsmyjob · 23/10/2024 14:19

BobbyBiscuits · 23/10/2024 12:36

Because it's for the justice system to decide if Chris was guilty of his crimes. He deserved a trial just like everyone else. It's not the police's decision to shoot someone because they are suspected of a crime. That's not how the judicial process works.
I think he's guilty, so I shoot him dead. Sorry that's not your job.
I think he may have been a double agent. Knew too much. He might have been a trigger man for the police, and all sorts.

Edited

He was shot because he was using the car like a weapon. More and more criminals are using this path to kill police officers because ridiculously it's all but legal to run someone over in the UK.

TotteringonGently · 23/10/2024 14:35

PlanetCats · 23/10/2024 02:09

Do those expressing sympathy for Kaba also hold the same amount of sympathy for the girlfriend he beat up whilst pregnant? The person he shot in a nightclub? The many young boys he coerced into county lines?

If not, why not?

THIS

Zilla1 · 23/10/2024 14:47

ticktickticktickBOOM · 23/10/2024 13:17

Anyone that purchases illegal substances is contributing to this shitshow of child exploitation, knife and gun crime in Britain.
If people really want it to stop - stop purchasing and contributing to the demand.
No demand, no supply.

IRL rather than any comment on the PPs who have posted in this thread but I do find the most self-righteous people I know about police brutality tend both to support the enslavement and brutality of workers across the supply chain of unlawful drugs by buying and consuming and also tend to live in more affluent areas that are relatively less subject to violent crime and oppression by gangs.