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Cows killed another poor dog walker

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Pippetypoppity · 14/10/2024 17:56

I’ve just seen on the BBC news that a lady has been killed in a field by cows. She was walking her chihuahua. This is absolutely tragic. She possibly ran with dog and was chased. That would be my guess as the same happened to me on our farm when I was very young. Your instinct is to save your dog and run. I remember I had a sheep dog puppy in my arms and I’d gone into the field to play. I was about 6 I think. The cows noticed the puppy from quite a distance away and the whole herd started moving in. Luckily I was close enough to the gate to get out, but it was terrifying. I remember my father on the yard yelling ‘Drop the puppy’ at the top of his lungs. I didn’t but I’d have been a gonner if I was another 50 yards in. I just want to tell everyone what my father said to me that day. It’s stuck in my mind ever since and it’s important anyone who dog walks in the country knows it too

  1. If you see cows with calves leave the field by the nearest exit immediately. Cows often charge to protect their young
  2. If you see cows without calves and they start moving quickly towards you they are being inquisitive. If you have a dog with you the cows will want to know if it is a threat. They see dogs instinctively as predators. If you cannot get to a gate and they are approaching- startle them by shouting jumping, waving your arms and making yourself appear as loud, big and threatening as possible. This will frighten them and make them stop or bypass you.
  3. If they persevere it will be because they want to force your dog out of the field. Let the dog go! This is critical. Your dog can run faster than cows and much much faster than you. The cows will then focus on the dog and you can get away.
  4. Never ever pick up the dog if cows are refusing to back off. This is the hardest thing in the world to do as all your instincts will compel you to try and protect it. It stands a better chance running and dodging them however than it does in your arms. You will then avoid becoming a target yourself and being trampled.
  5. When cows move quickly in a large group the ones at the front get pushed by the ones at the back even if they themselves try to slow down. They will not be trying to mow you down but the sheer force from behind might mean they do. For this reason if cows approach in a group and your initial efforts to threaten and scare them failed, make that momentum go in a different direction ie after your dog.
I am so so dreadfully sorry to hear that this has happened again. The lady in question was inevitably a devoted extremely responsible and loving pet owner. She must have been to have been giving her chihuahua a country walk. I expect for this very reason she picked her dog up when she saw the cows getting near. Poor poor lady.
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LoremIpsumCici · 16/10/2024 22:37

crackofdoom · 16/10/2024 22:35

What?! No it couldn't!!

(Source: juvenile fucking around and finding out )

Sure you weren’t messing about in a sheep field? Electric fences are adjusted by livestock type.

crackofdoom · 16/10/2024 22:40

Pippetypoppity · 16/10/2024 21:21

I think it’s important, because of so much confusion on this thread that I qualify a few things. I really didn’t mean to scare or upset anyone and I’m incredibly sorry if I did. I just wanted to give some sensible, helpful advice. Can I please add -

  1. Not all cows are the same. Like not all dogs are the same. Dairy cows are very used to being handled and usually really docile. They won’t ‘attack’ people. They just in very rare cases might crowd round a bit out of nosiness or occasionally take exception to a dog. If that happens shouting waving and hullabaloo spooks them away no problem.
  2. Young cattle are potentially more volatile. You can tell them easily - they won’t have full udders and they’ll be generally more active. They can be more inquisitive. Again hullabaloo is usually effective. They might possibly continue to object to your dog tho and if they are not convinced by your shouts and jumping, you must let your dog off leash and let it run away. The cattle will follow it and just ignore you. Their instinctive concern is to see off the ‘wolf’.
  3. Farmers will know their animals. They are required to ‘risk assess’ where they go according to how they are going to behave. It isn’t necessary to avoid fields with cows when wanting to access a footpath. Use the simple strategy I’ve outlined in previous posts and you will be safe enough.
It’s about having the right information , the right understanding and not doing the wrong things. I really just wanted to make that available. My sincere apologies if I have made anyone feel unsafe in the countryside. It’s lovely to see folk out enjoying our beautiful outdoors. I don’t miss a day thanking my lucky stars I’m in the middle of it. Its really important everyone gets the chance to escape and get back to nature as it’s the very best way to recharge and ‘soothe the soul’. You’ll be absolutely safe and able to enjoy it all to your heart’s content if you just keep my bits of advice at the back of your mind in case the very very very unlikely happens.

Problem is, quite a lot of cattle attacks don't involve dogs.

I've been chased once for real, and it was Ayrshire (dairy) bullocks. No dog.

But I agree that you're fine 99% of the time. The other 1% is pretty scary though.

Teddyjumper · 16/10/2024 22:43

crackofdoom · 16/10/2024 22:35

What?! No it couldn't!!

(Source: juvenile fucking around and finding out )

You're right. Electric cattle fencing will give large or small people a good belt, but it isn't a voltage to kill them.

OnlyOneNotOnWeightLossDrugsInTheVillage · 16/10/2024 22:43

Itsalonelyplace · 14/10/2024 18:44

My thoughts exactly.

How in the hell do you e pect farmers to make a living?

crackofdoom · 16/10/2024 22:44

LoremIpsumCici · 16/10/2024 22:37

Sure you weren’t messing about in a sheep field? Electric fences are adjusted by livestock type.

Nope. Cows. My DC attended a kindergarten on a farm next to a field of bullocks, with a path along the edge fenced off with an electric fence. Happy to report no young fatalities, and my heavily pregnant friend who tripped and fell full onto the fence in the dark was also OK.

Again, electric fences are 12v, not mains 🙄

LoremIpsumCici · 16/10/2024 23:08

crackofdoom · 16/10/2024 22:44

Nope. Cows. My DC attended a kindergarten on a farm next to a field of bullocks, with a path along the edge fenced off with an electric fence. Happy to report no young fatalities, and my heavily pregnant friend who tripped and fell full onto the fence in the dark was also OK.

Again, electric fences are 12v, not mains 🙄

No, electric fences are at least 1,000v not 12v, much higher volts than mains.

And I said can kill, not will always kill.

https://www.agrisellex.co.uk/blogs/blog/are-electric-fences-a-serious-safety-risk-to-humans

12v is the same as licking a 12v battery.

Are Electric Fences a Serious Safety risk to Humans?

How safe is electric fencing, will it hurt my horse or dog? Is it safe for humans.

https://www.agrisellex.co.uk/blogs/blog/are-electric-fences-a-serious-safety-risk-to-humans

MaidOfAle · 16/10/2024 23:12

It's current, not voltage, that kills, unless you have a pacemaker or certain heart conditions.

crackofdoom · 16/10/2024 23:18

Well, that was an interesting article, and I learnt a lot about why electric fences won't kill you!

LoremIpsumCici · 17/10/2024 00:09

Yes, it’s the amps. And the dangers if wet grass or if get trapped.

But they can hurt so much that you can’t keep going through one to safety.

Pippetypoppity · 17/10/2024 07:09

OnlyOneNotOnWeightLossDrugsInTheVillage · 16/10/2024 22:43

How in the hell do you e pect farmers to make a living?

Could I just pause a moment to complement you on the best username in the whole of mumsnet if not anywhere! Superb.

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BurntBroccoli · 17/10/2024 07:41

"How in the hell do you e pect farmers to make a living?"
@OnlyOneNotOnWeightLossDrugsInTheVillage
^
They adhere to safety standards like every other business has to; make use of grant schemes for fencing or they could have used their farming subsidy money (around £150/ha for simply owning the land over the last 15 years) to put safety measures in place. ^

And just accept that they need to look after the public highway on their land. When they purchased, they would have known it was there.

Greydayswithoutfags · 17/10/2024 08:07

My farmer friend swears by talking nicely to cows that come over to look at you in their field- it’s amusing going for a walk with him as he chats away to them about the weather and explains we are just out for a little wander etc.

crackofdoom · 17/10/2024 08:26

Greydayswithoutfags · 17/10/2024 08:07

My farmer friend swears by talking nicely to cows that come over to look at you in their field- it’s amusing going for a walk with him as he chats away to them about the weather and explains we are just out for a little wander etc.

That's what I do. "Hello lovely cows, nice to meet you, isn't it a lovely day, what beautiful babies you have, just passing through now, I'll be gone in a minute...."

Sometimes I'll sing to them.

Well, it makes me feel better 😆

Pippetypoppity · 17/10/2024 09:53

Notaflippinclue · 16/10/2024 21:50

It happened to us years ago - they were after the dog - we were trying to protect our dog but now realise that was stupid - we all survived and the picture of my sedentary old man leaping over a 5 barred gate has stayed with me till today!
Condolences to the family of the lady.

This is a great example. It’s your instinct to shield your dog. Big cows, small dog. We completely forget how fast dogs can run compared to cows.

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Pippetypoppity · 17/10/2024 09:59

Greydayswithoutfags · 17/10/2024 08:07

My farmer friend swears by talking nicely to cows that come over to look at you in their field- it’s amusing going for a walk with him as he chats away to them about the weather and explains we are just out for a little wander etc.

Love this. 99.9999% of the time they’re just being nosey. All completely innocent. If they heavy breath it’s a sign of friendship actually. Cows breath in each others noses heavily as a greeting. It’s only if they properly snort, shake their heads a lot and stamp/paw the ground that they are being unfriendly.

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Greydayswithoutfags · 17/10/2024 10:27

crackofdoom · 17/10/2024 08:26

That's what I do. "Hello lovely cows, nice to meet you, isn't it a lovely day, what beautiful babies you have, just passing through now, I'll be gone in a minute...."

Sometimes I'll sing to them.

Well, it makes me feel better 😆

Yep! This is what we now do. “Oh you are a lovely cow aren’t you? Are you having a nice day? Yes good, so are we. We are just off to the pub…” 😀

BurntBroccoli · 17/10/2024 11:32

Yes the young bullocks are very enthusiastic! There were about 15 of these one day all crowded round the stile. One was trying to lick me.

I turned back!

Cows killed another poor dog walker
newnamethanks · 18/10/2024 08:22

😀I remember a holiday in Wales and a field of young bullocks across the road. Every time my 16 year old son stepped outside, they'd spot him and herd over to the gate in an attempt to get his attention. London boy, found it very unnerving. Presumably they mistook him for someone who usually fed them.

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