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Ukraine Invasion: Part 52

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MagicFox · 10/10/2024 15:59

Welcome to 52. Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦

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Igotjelly · 02/12/2024 09:27

Sky News are reporting some dispiriting comments from Kuleba this morning, essentially that things are looking awful for Ukraine and that they are likely to lose the war. Maybe it's because its horrid and rainy this morning but it all feels a bit shit.

As much as we don't like it, I think it's about being realistic now for them. My guess is the west have clearly stated where their limits are in terms of help, and unfortunately for Ukraine that's not going to be enough to win the war.

Next best thing is to try and get a deal. The issue with them waiting for trump now though, is that Russia are in the driving seat at the moment. Not sure what can be done now to ensure that Ukraine is in a position of strength prior to a peace deal.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 03/12/2024 08:55

Possibly Russia is evacuating Tartus

www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2024/12/first-sign-russian-navy-evacuating-naval-vessels-from-tartus-syria/

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 03/12/2024 11:33

An interesting piece on hybrid warfare by Mark Galeotti which was in The Sunday Times:

Ukraine isn't World War Three. But it is a truly global struggle

The West is behind the curve, the defence analyst writes. Russia's deployment of North Korean soldiers is just one facet of a conflict being fought on ever more fronts

The Russo-Ukrainian war seems to be spreading. Along with the 10,000-12,000 North Koreans reportedly ready to engage with the Ukrainians, Moscow is now said to have recruited hundreds of Yemenis with the promise of generous salaries and citizenship. Meanwhile, South Korea is considering sending intelligence officers or special forces to observe Pyongyang's men and perhaps help interrogate any prisoners or defectors.

President Zelensky wants the West to recognise the broadness of the threat from President Putin, who has launched a renewed drive to attract foreign fighters

This confluence of international troops on frozen Ukrainian soil has led some, such as General Valery Zaluzhny, formerly Ukraine's commander-in-chief and now its ambassador to the UK, to suggest it
is on the verge of becoming a world war.
It is not that, though. Instead, it is a case study of how, in a globalised age, wars inevitably globalise too. “The Russians understand this perfectly well,” a British army officer involved in supporting Kyiv complained, “but we are still compartmentalising too much.” The sooner the West takes this process of globalisation into proper account, he concluded, the better.

Guns for hire
Vladimir Putin is clearly desperate to avoid another mass mobilisation wave considering how unpopular and disruptive the first one in autumn 2022 turned out to be. At present, though, the effort to advance the front lines as far as possible before Donald Trump's inauguration in January in case he means to follow through on his plans to impose a ceasefire on the war is leading to more casualties than ever: some 50,000 dead and wounded per month, while recruitment is at no more than 20,000-25,000.
Hence the renewed drive to attract foreign fighters. Moscow has long since been recruiting in countries such as India and Nepal, but along with the Yemenis and North Koreans, a growing number of soldiers from Africa and Latin America are also being reported within the Russian ranks.
Moscow's campaign of espionage and sabotage in the West has also become a multinational venture, involving proxies ranging from criminals to ideological fellow travellers. Two men who pleaded guilty to spying for Russia last week at the Old Bailey, for example, were
Bulgarians, allegedly working under the orders of an Austrian. The men who torched Ukrainian-owned warehouses in Leyton in March, by contrast, were local petty criminals, working simply for money.
At the same time, there are an estimated 20,000 foreign fighters in Ukraine's International Legion, including British volunteer James Scott Rhys Andersonn_, 22, recently captured by Russia. More quietly,
British, US and other western special forces personnel are on the ground, essentially as advisers, trainers and observers.
It's not just about soldiers, though. Iran sells the Russians drones and missiles, North Korea provides ammunition, and China has provided dual-use technologies such as all-terrain vehicles (ATVs) and radios. Other countries such as Turkey, the United Arab Emirates, Kazakhstan and Armenia appear to turn a blind eye to the smuggling into Russia of sanctioned goods, from spare parts to microchips.
Chain reactions
At the same time, Ukraine and its western allies also depend on global supply chains. In 2023, for example, South Korea sent the US 300,000 artillery shells, so the Americans could send their shells to Ukraine. This year, the Czechs have been leading an initiative to scour the world to buy 800,000 rounds from anyone willing to sell.
Even Argentina has been negotiating with Paris to return its five Dassault Super Étendard strike fighters, which can then be donated to Ukraine, in return for French drones or helicopters.
No wonder that both sides have been fighting a political and economic struggle around the world. The West has sought to extend its sanctions regime to isolate Moscow financially, and to stop sanctions-busting exports and imports of its oil. Often this has led to a backlash. One west African diplomat angrily damned the “western financial imperialism” that forced poor countries to choose between cheap Russian oil and the danger of being sanctioned.
Russia has not just been doing its best to bypass those sanctions and fan the flames of anti-western feeling in the global south, it has begun a wider campaign to try to meddle with western supply chains. These started with cyberattacks on European railways and this year have graduated to arson attacks (such as the one in Leyton, which may have been prompted by a belief that the warehouses were storing privately raised aid for the front) and incendiary devices on cargo aircraft.
The cause of last week's fatal crash of a DHL cargo plane in Vilnius, Lithuania, is still unclear, but the German defence chief, Carsten Breuer, has suggested that it “fits somewhere into this pattern” of Russian sabotage.
Either way, a Pentagon logistics expert admits he is worried that the increased need to scan shipments for possible explosives and the impact of disruptive cyber and physical attacks may well make the whole process slower and more expensive. He cited an earlier operation in Vrbětice in the Czech Republic, when Unit 29155, Russian military intelligence's infamous sabotage and assassination force, blew up a shipment of ammunition bound for Ukraine in 2014, causing huge damage at a warehouse. “A few Vrbětices could all but paralyse the supply chains,” he said.

Globalised war
Despite Zaluzhny's recent claim that “the Third World War has begun”, though, this is not a world war, as we understand it. Wars are often multinational, drawing in both volunteers and other states. Some 18 countries were involved in the Korean War, for example, while the current conflict in Gaza and Lebanon sees US-backed Israel facing off against Hamas and Hezbollah and their Iranian, Russian, Syrian and Yemeni supporters. Rather, this is the first major war of the globalised age, when everything connects to everything else, and all the participants (with the possible exception of the North Koreans) operate in single finance and information spaces.
Despite attempts by the West to block Russian channels such as RT, and Russian tit-for-tat bans on the BBC and similar outlets, thanks to VPNs (virtual private networks, which allow users to bypass controls) and mirroring sites that evade blocks, news and propaganda still flow both ways. Indeed, the audience for BBC Russian Service has grown since the start of the war.
Likewise, despite a massive range of western sanctions, Russia's financial systems have not been fully isolated. Through amenable third-party banks, or via commodity swaps, or simply using criminal money laundries, it is still possible for Moscow to operate in the global financial system, even if at a price.
The Russians have inherited a much more holistic view of war from the Soviets. A hawkish Russian defence scholar described their approach to me as being “all about the outcomes, not the means … The Russian way of war is to think what you want to accomplish and use whatever that requires”, whether that means “armed force, subversion or non-military pressure”.
The Russian campaign of sabotage and subversion in Europe, for example, is a recognition that it would be militarily suicidal to challenge Nato directly. Instead it hopes to exacerbate divisions and sap the will to continue supporting Kyiv. This involves everything from cyberattacks and arson to alarming rhetoric about the risk of nuclear escalation, and the use of an experimental Oreshnik intermediate-range ballistic missile against the Ukrainian city of Dnipro on November 21. Direct operations, disinformation, subversion and threat all combine in a co-ordinated way.
They are also operating more purposefully across different geographic theatres as well as domains of conflict. Backing an authoritarian regime in Africa, for example, is a win for Putin in the information war, allowing him to reassure his sceptical people that they have friends across the world. It is also an economic victory, opening markets to sanctions busting, and perhaps also permits the recruitment of soldiers to fight in Ukraine.

The West falls behind
To a degree, the Russians are having to operate in this way precisely because they are weaker in so many ways than the collective West. Either way, though, it is impossible to deny that, despite much talk about “multi-domain integration” and similar buzzwords, the West has yet really to come to terms with this in practice.
In a speech to the Nato cyberdefence conference at Lancaster House in London last week, the chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, Pat McFaddenn_, said that the West's contest with Russia “is
played out in two realms: the physical and the cyber”. If only it were just two realms. As a British military planner acknowledged: “We will always just be catching up, until we appreciate the breadth of the contest, the multiplicity of domains, and the interconnections between them. It's not just cyber, it's … what's that film?” It turned out that he meant the 2022 surrealist comedy, Everything Everywhere All at Once, about a battle waged across parallel universes. This is the essence of such a major modern war: it is fought in many different ways. As the Russians step up their missile and drone attacks on Ukraine's energy grid last Thursday, almost three quarter of a million households faced power cuts, as temperatures hovered around zero it is easy to focus on the physical war. But President Zelensky, calling for a “strong reaction from the world”, wants a greater recognition from the West of just how broad the Russian threat really is.
His most recent suggestion that he could envisage temporarily accepting Russian control over the territories it is occupying — so long as the rest of Ukraine is quickly accepted into Nato — suggests he is no more confident that the West can respond to this global challenge than he is that his own forces can drive the invaders back across the border.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 03/12/2024 11:42

Thank you @DesdamonasHandkerchief that's a really good article.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 03/12/2024 11:51

Kyiv Independent Telegram Highlights

⚡️NATO unlikely (kyivindependent.com/nato-unlikely-to-issue-ukraine-membership-invite-at-upcoming-meeting-reuters-reports/) to issue membership invite to Ukraine at upcoming meeting, Reuters reports.

⚡️ Ukraine won't accept security guarantees (kyivindependent.com/ukraine-will-not-accept-security-guarantees-substituting-nato-membership/) substituting NATO membership.

⚡️ Ukraine prevents Russia from establishing bridgehead (kyivindependent.com/oskil-river-novomlynsk/) west of Oskil River, military says.

‘Destroying us little by little:’ Ukrainian troops worried (kyivindependent.com/destroying-us-little-by-little-ukrainian-troops-worry-fate-of-kursk-operation/) about fate of Kursk operation
Nearly four months after Kyiv launched a surprise cross-border incursion into Russia’s Kursk Oblast, some Ukrainian soldiers are increasingly pessimistic about the costly operation.
“Aviation is a key factor, and (Russian troops) are throwing all the aerial bombs every night, destroying us little by little,” said Ukrainian serviceman Oleksii with the 80th Air Assault Brigade that is currently deployed in Kursk Oblast.

⚡️France, UK discuss deploying troops to Ukraine for ceasefire monitoring (kyivindependent.com/france-uk-discuss-deploying-troops-to-ukraine-for-ceasefire-monitoring-sources-tell-rfe-rl/), sources tell RFE/RL.

⚡️ Slovakia’s PM Fico (kyivindependent.com/fico-eu-ukraine/) lashes out at EU for expressing support for Ukraine.

⚡️US announces $725 million (kyivindependent.com/us-announces-725-million-military-aid-package-for-ukraine/) military aid package for Ukraine.
The package will include Stinger missiles, ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS), 155mm and 105mm artillery ammunition, drones, and landmines, among other equipment.

⚡️'We need to move faster,' Zelensky announces (kyivindependent.com/we-need-to-move-faster-zelensky-announces-personnel-changes-in-ukrainian-armed-forces/) personnel changes in Ukrainian Armed Forces.
President Volodymyr Zelensky's statement follows General Mykhailo Drapatyi's appointment as Ukraine's Ground Forces commander.

The EU will invest 400 million euros (kyivindependent.com/the-eu-will-invest-400-million-euros-this-year-1-9-billion-euros-next-year-into-ukraines-defense-industry-eu-top-diplomat-kallas-tells-kyiv-independent/) this year, 1.9 billion euros next year into Ukraine's defense industry, EU top diplomat Kallas says

⚡️Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto said meets (https://kyivindependent.com/szijjarto-meets-lavrov-in-moscow-calls-on-ukraine-russia-to-sit-down-at-negotiating-table/) Lavrov in Moscow, calls on Ukraine, Russia to sit down at 'negotiating table.'

⚡️ Ukrainian journalists meet G7 ambassadors (kyivindependent.com/ukrainian-journalists-meet-g7-ambassadors/) to discuss country's media landscape.

⚡️Zelensky disputes (kyivindependent.com/estimates-of-ukraines-military-causalities-exaggerated-by-media-zelensky-claims/) media reports of 80,000 Ukrainian military casualties.

⚡️Russian presidential administration holds (kyivindependent.com/russian-presidential-administration-holds-seminar-for-regional-officials-to-discuss-victorys-image-in-war/) seminar for regional officials to discuss 'victory's image' in war.

⚡️ German court sentences (kyivindependent.com/german-court-ukrainian-basketball-players/) killers of Ukrainian basketball players to 8.5-10 years.

⚡️ Russian attacks across Ukraine kill 1, injure 8 (kyivindependent.com/russian-attacks-across-ukraine-3/) over past day.

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Ukraine Invasion: Part 52
DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 03/12/2024 12:01

UNITED24 Media Telegram Highlights

Kremlin: Putin’s Visit to India in Early Planning Stages
The Kremlin has confirmed that preparations are underway for Russian President Vladimir Putin to visit India, though specific dates have not been set, Reuters reports.
According to CNN-News18, Putin is expected to visit India in early 2025 at the invitation of Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

Internet Cable Between Finland and Sweden Cut; Criminal Interference Suspected
An internet cable linking Finland and Sweden has been severed, and police are investigating possible criminal interference, according to Aftonbladet.
The outage has disrupted services for 6,000 private customers and around 100 businesses, said the affected company, Globel Connect. [can't someone cut Russian cables?]

German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock Visits Beijing to Discuss Ukraine

🇳🇴 Norway to Deploy F-35s and NASAMS to Protect Ukraine Aid Hub in Poland
Norway will provide F-35 fighter jets and NASAMS air defense systems to safeguard a key aid hub in Poland, which serves as the primary logistics center for transporting military and civilian supplies to Ukraine.

Russia Constructs Third Air Defense Tower Near Crimean Bridge
Research indicates that Russia is building a third air defense tower near the Crimean Bridge, with its interior recorded in late November 2024.
The first two towers, equipped with Pantsir-S1M systems, were identified in late September 2024. Each structure comprises an internal tower with stairs and an external metal frame featuring a platform for air defense installations.

Russia Faces Declining Freight Transport, Banking Losses, and Rising “Male Trafficking” Searches
▫️ Russian Railways
Freight transport in Russia continues to decline, marking the third consecutive year of reduced volumes. Analysts describe 2024 as the “deepest failure” for Russian Railways in 16 years.
Of the 15 tracked categories, 11 reported losses. Coal transportation, which makes up a third of the total, fell by 6.2% due to declining exports. Other categories, including metals, timber, construction materials, cement, and oil products, also saw reductions.
Personnel shortages are exacerbating the issue. “The lack of train compilers, wagon inspectors, and track fitters is increasingly paralyzing station operations,” said Mikhail Burmistrov, head of Infoline-Analytics.
▫️ Banking Sector Losses
Russian banks have incurred over 1.5 trillion rubles in losses from bond investments due to rising yields and falling prices, reports the Central Bank.
By the end of September, banks had invested 20 trillion rubles in ruble bonds, making up 10.7% of their assets. Negative revaluation in the April-September period alone reached 519 billion rubles, nearly 29% of profits for the period.
The total unrecognized negative revaluation stands at 783 billion rubles, bringing the cumulative impact to 1.3 trillion rubles.
▫️ “Male Trafficking” Searches Spike
Searches for phrases like “sending a husband to the SVO” or “sending an ex to the SVO” have surged among Russian women.
This trend coincides with a significant increase in payments to military volunteers. As of July 31, federal payments rose from 195,000 to 400,000 rubles, with additional regional

Ukraine’s ‘The Witch of Konotop’ Theater Play Goes Abroad to Enchant Europe
What began as a local adaptation of a 19th-century Ukrainian classic has turned into a cultural phenomenon, captivating younger audiences who have made it a viral sensation with millions of views online. https://united24media.com/culture/ukraines-the-witch-of-konotop-theater-play-goes-abroad-to-enchant-europe-4127

Ukraine’s ‘The Witch of Konotop’ Theater Play Goes Abroad to Enchant Europe

The theatrical sensation of The Witch of Konotop, a darkly comedic Ukrainian play blending folklore and modern themes, enchants audiences across Europe.

https://united24media.com/culture/ukraines-the-witch-of-konotop-theater-play-goes-abroad-to-enchant-europe-4127

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 03/12/2024 12:03

Kyiv Post Telegram Highlights

For the fifth consecutive day, Georgia has been gripped by protests following the government’s decision to abandon its pursuit of European integration.
Reports from local media indicate that numerous people were detained by security forces. Transparency International Georgia has condemned the treatment of detained protesters, describing it as inhumane. Many detainees have reportedly been subjected to severe beatings, and several have required hospitalization.

Russia is urgently sending mercenaries and Arab-Russian translators to support the Syrian army, according to the Ukrainian Military Intelligence (HUR).
Syrian government forces and Russian units are suffering significant losses, retreating from positions, and abandoning weapons and equipment. Their withdrawal is chaotic.

NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte has warned Donald Trump that forcing Ukraine to sign a “bad peace” on Russia’s terms would result in “grave threats” to the US in the long term, stemming from China, Iran, and North Korea.

The Biden administration is dissatisfied with the Ukrainian authorities’ reluctance to lower the mobilization age from 25 to 18 — The Washington Post

Ukraine’s former foreign minister gives his assessment of how the Trump presidency could affect the course of the war in Ukraine.
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/43180

Kyiv Post Morning News Roundup for December 3rd, 2024
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/43200

Zelensky and Putin Will Have a Strategy to Get Trump on Their Side – Kuleba

Ukraine’s former foreign minister gave his assessment of how the Trump presidency could affect the course of the war in Ukraine in interviews with Western media.

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/43180

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 03/12/2024 12:14

Live: Ukraine Telegram Highlights

In the temporarily occupied Tokmak in the Zaporizhzhia oblast, a drone reportedly struck a gas station, according to Russian Telegram channels. It is claimed that six emergency service workers were injured because the first UAV was followed by a second.
We hope the General Staff will soon clarify who and what type of vehicle was refueling there👀 [this implies that Ukraine too is using double-taps]

In the Kyiv oblast, 14-year-old teenagers were detained for carrying out an explosion near a police station on orders from Russia
Law enforcement discovered that the teenagers were recruited by Russian intelligence services via Telegram.
For the attack, the youths used an explosive device disguised as a thermos, which had been hidden in a stash in the Kyiv oblast. They live-streamed the explosion using a smartphone. Fortunately, no one was injured in the attack.
The teenagers have been charged with terrorism and face up to 12 years in prison.

🇫🇮In Finland, a candidate was removed from the election lists for refusing to condemn Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
The case concerns Ivan Devyatkin, a member of the Social Democratic Party. He was excluded from the list of candidates in municipal elections for acting contrary to party values.

Ukrainian air defense forces shot down 22 out of 28 enemy drones.
There were several strikes on critical infrastructure facilities in the Ternopil and Rivne oblasts.

Russian drone strike killed Ukrainian 45-year-old father of two daughters, Vitalii Remenets, in his home in Ternopil, western Ukraine

His wife survived (while covering their younger 11-year-old daughter Veronika with her own body). The family's apartment was destroyed.

Ukraine Invasion: Part 52
DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 03/12/2024 14:53

Annnnd just to make things more lively, South Korea has declared Emergency Martial Law, due to the situation with N Korea.

Wonder what on earth is going on.

MagicFox · 03/12/2024 15:04

I don't think it's really due to NK, it's internal fiddling

OP posts:
Igotjelly · 03/12/2024 15:11

MagicFox · 03/12/2024 15:04

I don't think it's really due to NK, it's internal fiddling

I agree I’m reading it as political manipulation rather than legitimate concerns.

notimagain · 03/12/2024 15:29

Second/third the above.

My understanding is the South Korea antics are down to internal domestic politics, rather than goings on in or with the North.

LisaJohnsonsFacebookMole · 03/12/2024 15:33

MagicFox · 03/12/2024 15:04

I don't think it's really due to NK, it's internal fiddling

Well, would they kindly fiddle (there's a phrase I never thought I'd say) when the world is less highly strung!

Igotjelly · 03/12/2024 15:44

The fact that both the ruling and opposition parties are vowing to lift the martial law makes me think they don’t have any legitimate security concerns currently. It just shows how quickly seemingly free democratic countries can go sideways…

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 03/12/2024 16:14

LisaJohnsonsFacebookMole · 03/12/2024 15:33

Well, would they kindly fiddle (there's a phrase I never thought I'd say) when the world is less highly strung!

This!!

Natsku · 03/12/2024 17:10

Internet Cable Between Finland and Sweden Cut; Criminal Interference Suspected
An internet cable linking Finland and Sweden has been severed, and police are investigating possible criminal interference, according to Aftonbladet.
The outage has disrupted services for 6,000 private customers and around 100 businesses, said the affected company, Globel Connect. [can't someone cut Russian cables?]

They're not suspecting a crime any more, this one at least seems to have been an accident during excavation work

What is going on in South Korea?? Glad both ruling and opposition parties are against martial law, that is reassuring that its nowt to do with NK

blueshoes · 03/12/2024 17:15

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-december-2-2024

Key Takeaways:

  • Prominent voices within the Russian information space continue to emphasize that Russian President Vladimir Putin is uninterested in a negotiated settlement to the war in Ukraine that results in anything less than total Ukrainian capitulation.
  • Russia's increased domestic production of Shahed-type drones has allowed Russia to increase the number of drones it is using in strike packages launched at Ukraine, but Ukrainian electronic warfare (EW) innovations are enabling Ukrainian forces to more effectively respond to Russian strike packages.
  • The Kremlin continues efforts to minimize the war’s social impacts on the Russian populace while tacitly resetting the goalposts for what the Kremlin initially defined as victory in Ukraine.
  • Pro-Kremlin Russian Telegram channel operators continue to resist Russian government efforts to deanonymize Russian social media accounts.
  • Ukrainian forces recently advanced near Chasiv Yar, and Russian forces recently advanced near Toretsk, Pokrovsk, and Kurakhove.
  • The Russian military command is focusing on training additional Russian forces and improving Russian forces' tactical assault operations.
Igotjelly · 03/12/2024 17:25

Natsku · 03/12/2024 17:10

Internet Cable Between Finland and Sweden Cut; Criminal Interference Suspected
An internet cable linking Finland and Sweden has been severed, and police are investigating possible criminal interference, according to Aftonbladet.
The outage has disrupted services for 6,000 private customers and around 100 businesses, said the affected company, Globel Connect. [can't someone cut Russian cables?]

They're not suspecting a crime any more, this one at least seems to have been an accident during excavation work

What is going on in South Korea?? Glad both ruling and opposition parties are against martial law, that is reassuring that its nowt to do with NK

From what I can gather it’s the most inept coup attempt in a fair while….

Igotjelly · 03/12/2024 19:50

MissConductUS · 03/12/2024 19:45

SK's parliament has voted to lift martial law, and the president is saying "no".

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn38321180et?post=asset%3Acb5be5ba-c24f-462c-be58-5fa0b8de3dcc#post

This is starting to make American politics look sane. 😂

I thought I had just read that the President has agreed to lift it.

LisaJohnsonsFacebookMole · 03/12/2024 20:29

President Yoon's actions in a nutshell: how to tell us you're a bellend without telling us you're a bellend.

Igotjelly · 03/12/2024 20:31

LisaJohnsonsFacebookMole · 03/12/2024 20:29

President Yoon's actions in a nutshell: how to tell us you're a bellend without telling us you're a bellend.

Not just a bellend but apparently also an absolute idiot. I do worry that instability in SK could negatively impact any potential move from them towards stronger support of Ukraine. I’m increasingly cynical but I always see the hand of Russia in everything these days. If they aren’t involved they must be rubbing their hands with glee.

LisaJohnsonsFacebookMole · 03/12/2024 23:48

Igotjelly · 03/12/2024 20:31

Not just a bellend but apparently also an absolute idiot. I do worry that instability in SK could negatively impact any potential move from them towards stronger support of Ukraine. I’m increasingly cynical but I always see the hand of Russia in everything these days. If they aren’t involved they must be rubbing their hands with glee.

Perhaps but how will that lot explain the power of democracy and of the people's voice 😉

I see a huge trade union has encouraged workers to strike until Yoon goes. People gathered and protested so peacefully and quickly. The military seemed fairly calm albeit a tad clueless on the rules e.g. when they refused to let lawmakers enter parliament despite the fact that parliament has a say in whether martial law stands or not. And 190 legislators woke up, got into parliament and organised a vote within hours. It's not unimpressive!

Natsku · 04/12/2024 03:32

That is very impressive

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