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Ukraine Invasion: Part 52

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MagicFox · 10/10/2024 15:59

Welcome to 52. Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦

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dibly · 22/11/2024 13:55

Just saw the news about Gatwick airport evacuations and a suspicious package outside the US embassy in London. Hard not to think possible links

notimagain · 22/11/2024 14:04

dibly · 22/11/2024 13:55

Just saw the news about Gatwick airport evacuations and a suspicious package outside the US embassy in London. Hard not to think possible links

Hard to judge ATM…The authorities will probably be extra “twitchy”, but not just because of Russia but also events in the ME etc..

Certainly alerts at places like airports aren’t that unknown (and potentially highly disruptive).

notimagain · 22/11/2024 14:09

@blueshoes

Re MIRVs and “ It does seem 'ostentatious' mode of delivery if the missile is only carrying a non-nuclear payload”

It looks that way but if a system is designed to carry multiple “packages” it might be really hard and introduce all sorts of unforeseen complications by trying to re-engineer it to carry one big single re-entry vehicle.

From the Russians’s POV it was possibly easier to pack the existing re-entry vehicles with HE, and then use the shot as an opportunity to see how good the independent targeting actually was…

notimagain · 22/11/2024 14:17

If I could I’d edit to add to ^^ that it would be interesting to see what was on the thing…scattering the bits of actual viable re-entry vehicles over parts of Ukraine might be a handy intelligence bonanza for some in the west.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 22/11/2024 19:35

Slightly strange that Russia woudl consider it worth losing the tech secrets just to make a propaganda point.

Indicates how hard they are fighting on the propaganda front.

MissConductUS · 22/11/2024 21:13

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 22/11/2024 19:35

Slightly strange that Russia woudl consider it worth losing the tech secrets just to make a propaganda point.

Indicates how hard they are fighting on the propaganda front.

The boffins at Lockheed and the DIA should have the wreckage to examine by Monday.

Llttledrummergirl · 22/11/2024 21:21

@tokyosushi is this the thread that you are looking for?

TokyoSushi · 22/11/2024 21:22

Llttledrummergirl · 22/11/2024 21:21

@tokyosushi is this the thread that you are looking for?

Yes! Thank you!

Llttledrummergirl · 22/11/2024 21:24

Grin the other thread is not like this one.

TokyoSushi · 22/11/2024 21:26

I saw!! 😳

TokyoSushi · 22/11/2024 21:30

I agree with @Igotjelly that this is definitely the time for 'scary noise' from Moscow. Loads of folks jostling for position prior to 20th January trying to swing the narrative in their favour and hoping that the big orange fellow in Washington DC-on sea will hear...

Also the Middle East seems to be taking a mini pause from absolute hell which provides a little window for 'look at me' Putin to take centre stage.

This was always going to be a turbulent few months, and it definitely appears that its 'hold onto your hats' time...

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 23/11/2024 12:11

Kyiv Independent Telegram Highlights

⚡️Nearly 580,000 Russian troops fighting (kyivindependent.com/nearly-580-000-russian-troops-engaged-in-combat-against-ukraine-military-intelligence-says/) against Ukraine, military intelligence says.
The number includes soldiers serving in Russia's Kursk Oblast, Vadym Skibitskyi, the deputy head of Ukraine's military intelligence agency (HUR), said.

⚡️Russian forces reportedly advance (https://kyivindependent.com/russian-forces-reportedly-advance-near-5-settlements-in-donetsk-oblast/) near 5 settlements in Donetsk Oblast.

⚡️Ukraine to receive (kyivindependent.com/ukraine-to-receive-4-8-billion-from-world-bank/) $4.8 billion from World Bank.
Ukraine and the World Bank signed a loan agreement worth $4.8 billion, which Kyiv will use for priority budget expenditures, the Finance Ministry said in a statement.

⚡️Ukraine begins talks (kyivindependent.com/ukraine-begins-talks-with-partners-about-advanced-air-defense-systems-following-russias-icbm-strike/) with partners about advanced air defense systems, following Russia's ICBM strike.

⚡️Russia plans to launch (kyivindependent.com/russia-plans-to-launch-mass-production-of-oreshnik-missile-putin-says/) mass production of Oreshnik missile, Putin says.
Russia aims to launch the "Oreshnik" intermediate-range ballistic missile (IRBM) into mass production, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Nov. 22 during a meeting with the representatives of the Russian Defense Ministry and the national military-industrial complex.

What is Russia's Oreshnik (kyivindependent.com/what-is-russias-oreshnik-missile-and-what-happens-next/) missile, and what happens next?

⚡️NASAMS air defense systems delivered (kyivindependent.com/nasams-air-defense-systems-delivered-to-ukraine-canadian-defense-minister-says/) to Ukraine, Canadian defense minister says.

⚡️ War in Ukraine at 'decisive stage,' risk of 'global conflict (kyivindependent.com/war-in-ukraine-at-decisive-stage-risk-of-global-conflict-polands-tusk-says/),' Poland's Tusk says.

⚡️Trump may name former intelligence director Richard Grenel (kyivindependent.com/trump-may-name-former-intelligence-director-richard-grenell-as-ukraine-peace-envoy-reuters-reports/)l as Ukraine peace envoy, Reuters reports.
Grenell has previously suggested a peace plan in Ukraine involving the creation of "autonomous zones" and has opposed Ukraine's membership in NATO.

⚡️Ministry: Sweden agrees (kyivindependent.com/defense-ministry-sweden-agrees-to-finance-production-of-long-range-drones/) to finance production of long-range drones for Ukraine.

⚡️Ministry: Lithuania to fund production (kyivindependent.com/ministry-lithuania-to-fund-production-of-ukrainian-long-range-drones/) of Ukrainian long-range drones.

⚡️Lukashenko threatens (kyivindependent.com/lukashenko-threatens-internet-blackout-during-2025-elections-to-prevent-protests/) internet blackout during 2025 elections to prevent protests.

⚡️Crimean Tatar editor goes missing (kyivindependent.com/crimean-tatar-editor-goes-missing-in-occupied-crimea/) in occupied Crimea.
Ediye Muslimova, the editor-in-chief of a Crimean Tatar children's magazine, disappeared in Russian-occupied Crimea on Nov. 21. Local sources say she was forced into a vehicle by three men and is being detained by the Russian FSB.

⚡️Russian military shoot (kyivindependent.com/russian-military-shoot-5-ukrainian-pows-near-vuhledar-in-donetsk-oblast/) 5 Ukrainian POWs near Vuhledar in Donetsk Oblast.

'It was my first revolution' — Ukrainians look back (kyivindependent.com/it-was-my-first-revolution-ukrainians-look-back-on-the-orange-revolution-20-years-later/) on the Orange Revolution 20 years later

⚡️Hungary criticizes (kyivindependent.com/hungary-criticizes-us-sanctions-on-gazprombank-as-threat-to-energy-security-bloomberg-reports/) US sanctions on Gazprombank as 'threat to energy security', Bloomberg reports.

‪Ragnar Bjartur Gudmundsson 🇺🇦‬ NOV 23, 2024
■ Engagements stay >7-day avg with casualties up between days
■ 7th highest drone losses, tank & APV losses well above avg
■ Janovsky: 25 🇷🇺 21 🇺🇦 added (1.2:1); 30-day ratio at 2.3x ⬇
■ Improved but unfavorable strike ratio

Ukraine - The Kyiv Independent

News, analyses, investigations, opinions, podcasts and more. On-the-ground reporting from Ukraine

https://kyivindependent.com/russian-forces-reportedly-advance-near-5-settlements-in-donetsk-oblast/)

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 23/11/2024 12:13

UNITED24 Media Telegram highlights

The U.S. Department of Defense has announced updates to its nuclear deterrence strategy.
As part of the changes, the readiness of Ohio-class strategic nuclear submarines, equipped with Trident II intercontinental ballistic missiles, has been enhanced.

The Czech Republic will supply Ukraine with 500,000 large-caliber ammunition rounds by the end of the year, Czech Foreign Minister Jan Lipavsky announced during a briefing with Ukrainian Foreign Minister Andrii Sybiha.

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy confirmed that Ukraine is in talks with allies about acquiring air defense systems capable of intercepting intercontinental ballistic missiles.

Germany is drafting a defense plan for a potential war with Russia, according to Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung.
The confidential document, spanning about 1,000 pages, outlines responses to a possible Russian invasion on NATO’s eastern flank and identifies key sites for protection.
The plan includes the deployment of hundreds of thousands of troops and measures to ensure civilian energy independence, such as procuring generators.

When playing S.T.A.L.K.E.R., take a moment to remember Volodymyr Yezhov, one of the game’s developers who tragically lost his life near Bakhmut in Donetsk in December 2022. His likeness inspired the character Loki in the game.

Ukraine Invasion: Part 52
DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 23/11/2024 12:14

UNITED24 Media Summary of Nuclear Weopons Situation

American Experts on Moscow’s Nuclear Blackmail: “Nuclear Weapons Won’t Benefit Russia”

Monitoring Russia’s nuclear readiness remains a top priority for U.S. intelligence, says Matthew Bunn, a nuclear weapons analyst and former science advisor to President Bill Clinton.

“As far as we know, Russian nuclear forces are in a state of readiness. It would be unwise for the United States to dismiss the possibility of Russia using nuclear weapons if it chooses to,” Bunn told Voice of America.

According to Bunn, the last significant U.S. intelligence concern about a Russian nuclear strike occurred in late 2022, after Ukraine’s successful counteroffensive in Kharkiv and Kherson. He notes that a serious threat to Crimea might prompt Russia to consider nuclear options.

John Erath, Senior Policy Director at the Center for Arms Control and Nonproliferation, argues that Russia is unlikely to use nuclear weapons. Over the past two years, numerous “red lines” for their use have been crossed, including Ukraine receiving Western tanks, Patriot systems, and F-16 fighters.

“Lack of Moral Constraints but No Tactical Benefit”
Erath highlights that Russia has used various types of weaponry in its war against Ukraine without red lines. The absence of nuclear use, he suggests, is not due to moral reservations but because such weapons offer no tangible advantage.

“In reality, Russia has no moral constraints against using nuclear weapons in Ukraine. Yet they have refrained because these weapons won’t benefit them,” Erath explains.

Nuclear Blackmail as a Tactic
Experts stress that Russia’s nuclear threats aim to intimidate Ukraine and the West into halting support for Ukraine and accepting Russian terms for a ceasefire.

“Diplomacy and Continued Support for Ukraine”
Despite the heightened risk of nuclear conflict—the highest since the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis, according to Bunn—experts emphasize the importance of diplomacy. John Erath notes the historical reduction of nuclear arsenals by 80% during the Cold War but acknowledges that further disarmament is unlikely in the current tense climate.

John Hardy, a security expert from the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, urges the West to continue supporting Ukraine, including lifting restrictions on Western missiles targeting Russian territory.

A Growing Threat
The potential expiration of the New START Treaty in 2026, the last remaining agreement on nuclear arms reduction, adds to concerns about a renewed nuclear arms race.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 23/11/2024 12:16

Kyiv Post Telegram Highlights

Thousands more North Koreans headed into Ukraine — Pentagon
www.kyivpost.com/post/42707

NATO Secretary General Rutte met with Trump
According to the Alliance’s press service, they discussed a range of global security issues. Rutte also met with Trump’s team.

Head of Ukrainian Intelligence, Budanov, says Russia likely only produced two of the “Kedr” long range ballistic missiles which hit the city of Dnipro yesterday, both prototypes, and that it indicates that Russians "have lost their minds", throwing their last resources into Ukraine.
He added that the name “Oreshnik” is the scientific designation, while the system’s actual name is “Kedr,” which is a carrier of nuclear weapons.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 23/11/2024 12:21

Live: Ukraine Telegram Highlights

❗️NATO and Ukraine will discuss Russia’s missile strike on Dnipro using an experimental intermediate-range ballistic missile on November 26, according to Ukrainian Radio Liberty correspondents in Brussels
The meeting will take place at the ambassadorial level.

🇨🇭 Switzerland has banned (apnews.com/article/switzerland-ukraine-ammunition-seco-exports-0ad56dcdacd4b0ffcd4d5a53b4035af8) the sale of ammunition to a Polish company due to its transfer to Ukraine
Switzerland’s policy of neutrality prohibits the transfer of weapons it produces to countries involved in military conflicts. Thus, the Polish company was allowed to resell small-caliber ammunition only within its country. However, about 645,000 rounds ended up in Ukraine.
The export agreement with the Polish company will be terminated due to the “high risk” of further ammunition transfer to Ukraine.

🇵🇱 Polish farmers have blocked the Medyka–Shehyni border crossing.
The reasons for the protest include the unmet demand to maintain the 2023 agricultural tax levels for 2024 and the EU’s trade agreement with Mercosur countries. The action is expected to last 48 hours, with the possibility of an extension.

🇩🇪 Former German Chancellor Angela Merkel believes (https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/memoiren-von-angela-merkel-so-denkt-die-ex-kanzlerin-ueber-olaf-scholz-friedrich-merz-donald-trump-wladimir-putin-a-ecfb16e9-1ab9-452a-99e7-d5efa712caa6) she is being made a scapegoat for the war in Ukraine due to her stance at the 2008 NATO summit, where she blocked Kyiv from receiving a Membership Action Plan

❗️Executions of Ukrainian prisoners: prosecutors investigating 53 cases of Russian Forces killing 177 Ukrainian soldiers

In just two days after its release, GSC Game World sold (x.com/stalker_thegame/status/1859930792564285907?s=46&t=jkT4Jx8K-TdT4JuPU9YHcw) 1 million copies of S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2

Occupiers urge residents to report those commemorating Holodomor victims in occupied territories
Ahead of Holodomor Remembrance Day, Russian forces are preparing for new repressions.
In the temporarily occupied territories, they have destroyed monuments, museum exhibits, and any reminders of the tragedy that claimed millions of Ukrainian lives.
Now, the occupiers are threatening those who light a candle or show mourning on Saturday, according to the Center for National Resistance.
Nearly one-fifth of the country’s population was lost. The dreadful famine that engulfed Ukraine, the northern Caucasus, and the lower Volga River area in 1932-1933 was the result of Joseph Stalin’s policy of forced collectivization.
The heaviest losses occurred in Ukraine, which was the most productive agricultural area of the Soviet Union. Stalin was determined to crush all vestiges of Ukrainian culture, identity and nationalism.
Thus, the famine was accompanied by a devastating purge of Ukrainian intelligentsia and the Ukrainian elite. The famine broke the peasants’ will to resist collectivization and left Ukraine politically, socially, and psychologically traumatized.
[Im surprised the Russians don't mandate that residents light candles celebrating the success of Holodomor and thanking the Russians who created it]

dibly · 23/11/2024 12:34

There are definitely signs of UK security being twitchy, alongside Gatwick airport yesterday both the train and bus station in my city were closed for hours last night due to bomb scares.

WinterMorn · 23/11/2024 12:38

Bear in mind a lot of these will be the usual idiots thinking it’s funny to do this sort of thing.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 23/11/2024 12:40

So, the US -is- slightly updating its nuclear strategy.

And more NKorean soldiers in the war :/

notimagain · 23/11/2024 12:44

WinterMorn · 23/11/2024 12:38

Bear in mind a lot of these will be the usual idiots thinking it’s funny to do this sort of thing.

Agreed, and for historical context Manchester airport was briefly closed due to a bomb scare just over a month ago, well before this weeks round of various scare stories.

WinterMorn · 23/11/2024 12:46

Yep. These things happen on a reasonably regular basis, but never get reported on. So many people with an axe to grind do it.

blueshoes · 23/11/2024 14:53

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-november-22-2024

Key Takeaways:

  • Russian President Vladimir Putin and Russian military leadership continue to extol the ballistic missile that Russian forces launched at Ukraine on November 21, likely in an effort to artificially inflate expectations of Russian capabilities and encourage Western and Ukrainian self-deterrence.
  • Russia may additionally conduct test launches of the same or similar ballistic missiles in the coming days to accomplish the same rhetorical effect.
  • Russia has reportedly provided North Korea with over one million barrels of oil and an unspecified number and type of air defense systems and missiles in return for North Korea's provision of manpower for Russia's war effort in Ukraine.
  • The Ukrainian Prosecutor General’s Office opened an investigation against another instance of Russian forces executing Ukrainian prisoners of war (POWs) in Donetsk Oblast.
  • Russian forces recently advanced west of Svatove, south of Chasiv Yar, south of Toretsk, northeast of Vuhledar, and northeast of Velyka Novosilka.
  • Russia continues to build its training capacity by establishing new service academies in occupied Ukraine.
Ukraine Invasion: Part 52
DdraigGoch · 23/11/2024 18:53

Just had a pop-up on my HSBC app telling me that payments to/from Russia or Belarus could no longer be made.

Why has this taken 1,000 days?

MissConductUS · 23/11/2024 22:19

More details are coming out about the missile strike on the Russian/North Korean HQ. An underground bunker was attacked, which may mean that they're still digging it out and there may be others KIA yet to be identified.

https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2024/11/23/ukraines-storm-shadow-missile-strikes-killed-russian-army-general-and-eighteen-officers-in-kursk-region/

There are also hundreds of NK soldiers reported killled, but that sounds like an estimate.

It's a good thing for the Russians that they shot down all of those Storm Shadow missiles and this damage was done by falling debris. I can't imagine what the effect would have been if most of them had gotten through to their targets. 😁

Ukraine’s Storm Shadow Missile Strikes Killed Russian Army General and Eighteen Officers In Kursk Region

Storm Shadow strike kills Russian general in Russia’s Kursk Oblast, source claims. On November 20, a missile attack on an underground facility in Maryino reportedly killed 18 Russian military offic…

https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2024/11/23/ukraines-storm-shadow-missile-strikes-killed-russian-army-general-and-eighteen-officers-in-kursk-region

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