Half the country seems to be anti Starmer, anti Rayner, anti Labour, so…

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If they’re so bad, who’d genuinely do a better job and why has the honeymoon been so short ?
Most of the Tory leadership candidates are guilty of much worse plus the UK is in an absolute state unless you live in Tunbridge Wells or Guildford so logically they really should not be having another turn.
Farage hasn’t got a clue and most of his plans, although popular, in reality are economically unviable and would bankrupt the country.
Leaves Ed Davey and the Lib Dems who like Labour are on the whole untried and untested but relatively untainted.
Any ideas ? Or is this criticism just a SM thing and most folk are willing to give them a chance ?

Sorry but that’s hyperbole. It really is. I’m not minimising what’s happened but they really aren’t ‘rotten and corrupt’.

Popular enough to get voted in though. By the way, how many of that 80% didn't vote at all?

Agree. Sounds to me like what happened in the US when Biden wasn’t seen as the ‘real’ president and victory was snatched from Trump. It’s like Starmer isn’t seen as the legitimate leader. Plus all the stuff about the Tories losing not Labour winning. This is the storyline that’s insidiously being built up and reinforced.

Clearly my standards are higher than yours!

Not really. Are you saying no politician should ever accept freebies ? I’m not happy about it but it seems that LP is more intensely subjected to scrutiny.
Much of the Tory shenanigans happened unreported initially. I hope you were as incensed by that and will be when the details regarding Covid corruption is published.

Labour won because the Conservatives lost, well obviously but consider those few words because their true meaning doesn’t mean people wanted them, there was just no alternative. Some Conservatives just didn’t vote plus some went to reform. If we had what the electorate wanted and used PR we would have 80 Reform MP’s, let that soak in as it’s extremely concerning.

I think when public servants are not allowed to accept gifts it should be the same across the board. I wanted to buy an NHS consultant a gift, she wasn’t allowed to accept a £50 gift in case she got in to trouble.

The reason the Labour Party are criticised more is they are supposed to have regular peoples interests at heart. That’s why people are more upset. It’s all a bit Animal Farm with a good impression of Napoleon and Snowball at front and centre currently.

So the tories being wealthy grifters with only their own interests at heart are let off because ?

PointyThings I am sorry ,Its not my intention to cast smears! I simply voted Labour as I was as unhappy as anyone else about the last Conservative govt. I was in hospital over the Summer having Cancer treatment.The Nurses were so kind and hard working and I voted for Labour for them to get a raise .We are recently retired, so the removal of our first HA stung! I didnt realise that the freeing of prisoners was agreed some while ago ,as on a previous thread here someone complained about it! Of course Many men have younger wives, It was not meant as a personal slur.

I think people thought labour would be a change, and it turns out they're just as bad as the Tories, so people are just annoyed.

Thank you for this. I'm naturally left leaning, but I always make sure to read across a full range of news and I always fact check - there's so much misinformation about that it's worth doing.

For what it's worth, I agree that the bar for removing the WFA is set too low (and I am someone who will never get it because I have a good occupational pension). But given how much pain the last government inflicted on people of working age and disabled people, and given how much the state pension has gone up and will keep going up because of the triple lock, it's only reasonable that pensioners should shoulder their share of the tough times.

He didn’t take bribes, he took gifts that plenty of politicians of all colours are happy to take. Farage has had £30k flights recently and he gets loads for GB News. Boris took money etc for decorating, and £20ishk for his wedding ceremony. Plus there are plenty of MPs paid by lobbyists and who have second jobs. They’re kind of all at it to varying degrees. It’s the system. Look at the mass resignations under Boris. Look who is making a fuss only at labour, what’s their agenda?

I just think, let’s focus on the work, and the big picture. If this is Labour corruption, they’ve got a way to go yet to be worse that the Tories who crashed the economy on one day. Think of the millions of pounds given to the mates and donors of the Conservative Party. That bothers me far more.

It also handily drowns out the Covid enquiry.

So 14 years record v 3 months.
Wow. What with Oliver Dowden being questioned about betting on the GE result and this https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tories-took-125million-oligarchs-firm-33774340

Our politicians are just so naughty.

I think that at the last 2 elections, the least bad person won. This most recent one - tories had disgraced themselves so Starmer was all that was left of the big 2 parties. The one before - Corbyn was unelectable so Bojo won.

very negative

we should be saying X is amazing but Y is incredible. So Y wins.

Not X is not great but Y is disgraceful. So X wins.

only 1 in 5 voted labour. So if you piss off a few of those, you’re looking at almost 90% of the country not supporting labour

It's early days and too soon to judge. However, I think it's all been very doom.and gloom so far. I understand the country has a lot of issues, but the last 13 years seemed so obviously weighted against the poorer, lower earners, disabled etc while the very wealthy became even richer. So far there seems to have been nothing suggested about what could make life better for those who were given such a raw deal in the past. People need a bit of hope.

Oh come on, media spin, controlling this country.

Fed up of the anti Labour threads on here too, genuine…I don't think so. More media spin.

They picked up a corrupt shit show. Give them time.

only 1 in 5 voted labour. So if you piss off a few of those, you’re looking at almost 90% of the country not supporting labour

What's your point? Even more than that didn't support any of the other parties...

I get so tired of these posts insinuating that Labour somehow didn't win the election. They did. Suck it up.

This is the power of the mostly right wing media, the BBC being saturated with Tories in charge now and social media and bots adding to that.
Starmer is declaring stuff as he should- the tories just hid it/didn't declare.
If you actually work in a job where you see what is being done by the new government you'd know they were doing and are proposing to do loads to try and get the country back into a better position. To govern better. To enable local authorities to function again. Making laws takes time. Having money to spend will take time.
Some pensioners who needed the WFP are having to do without. You can't then suddenly wack up other benefits and remove the two child cap etc. So everyone is moaning about carrying on austerity.
It's rubbish - one thing Labour will want is a functioning public services. But they haven't got money to throw at it so are having to make difficult decisions!
Tories would rather it's all privatised - austerity was about reducing public services to privatise them when they fail.

All part of the alt right playbook.

BBC right wing - that has made my day! If only...

An agenda is half a brain. Because they are polarised. I want metaphorical heads to roll for corruption. The islands sold, the yachts sold, the bank accounts stripped. I want them shamed. Forensic research, and if evidence is there all of this and jail.

But two wrongs do not make a right. Parliament is a candy shop for power seekers and seems to thrive on short-termism. Moments of glory. Whether Left or Right. Establish a law that benefits some sector of society and you are an Influencer. Then get a job with a bank. Write a book. Go on a TV show in the Outback. Big money to be made. All while the real work isn't done.

There is a solution. We vote for outcomes first, then people. The public vote in the policies - by default this is cross party support. The most extreme views are factored out. Crucially at this stage we are not necessarily voting for any specific person. Second, we create roles. Then the politicians are elected who are most likely to meet the targets those roles come with. If they fall behind long-term targets they get sacked. Succeed against all targets they get good bonuses. But no outside work. Blind Trusts over existing wealth. In return a salary of £1m per annum (cost of £2 per month per household), indexed linked. But no outside work or conflicts of interest.

If they’re so bad, who’d genuinely do a better job

Which other party? None, unfortunately, which is why I reluctantly voted Labour. Maybe there are other potential Labour politicians who would make a better PM and a better cabinet, but I don't really know who.