Half the country seems to be anti Starmer, anti Rayner, anti Labour, so…

[Lenelovich]

If they’re so bad, who’d genuinely do a better job and why has the honeymoon been so short ?
Most of the Tory leadership candidates are guilty of much worse plus the UK is in an absolute state unless you live in Tunbridge Wells or Guildford so logically they really should not be having another turn.
Farage hasn’t got a clue and most of his plans, although popular, in reality are economically unviable and would bankrupt the country.
Leaves Ed Davey and the Lib Dems who like Labour are on the whole untried and untested but relatively untainted.
Any ideas ? Or is this criticism just a SM thing and most folk are willing to give them a chance ?

Yes. Conservatives tend to be less critical of their own party than Labour.

Lefties prefer ‘moral purity’ to winning elections or achieving things.

Austerity was an ideological choice made by Cameron and Osborne 1) to persuade people that the country was hard up as a result of the preceding Labour government and that it was so bad they would have to make cuts to ‘balance the books’ when in fact there was a global financial crisis, not a Labour one, and ‘balancing books’ is something you do in a household or small business, not a country, and 2) because they wanted to do it simply because they could.

If the Tories had pulled WFA the DM crowd would blame immigrants or dishonest benefit scroungers for forcing the government’s hand.

I think the govt has done the right thing re the WFS and CB cap (although I don’t think the cap should have been introduced in the first place) and I am pleased they can make unpopular decisions that they think are correct, but the press are hammering them very hard and people are buying into it.

It will be interesting to see how things unfold. I’m not a Starmer fan but I think he’s the right man for the job, for now.

The answer ? If none can be trusted, what then ?

Isn’t the discontent just the manifestation of how thin support for Labour actually is/was, and that they didn’t win the election but the conservatives lose? There was no energy, excitement or even plan in their campaign for people to get behind, just the ‘we are not the tories’ mantra. None of the energy and excitement that Thatcher, Blair and even Cameron brought. All far better orators than Starmer, and again all, even Starmer, with more of a sense of purpose and action.

Many hoped that Labour did have a plan, me included, but were taking the (sensible) approach of saying nothing because they had everything to lose and nothing to gain by doing so. But as we now see, there is no coherent plan. The first 100 days have been and gone, and the ‘Mission Boards’ which were going to be the answer have in some cases not even met, and in others just met once or twice. Now thing will happen until after the budget. So another 30 days gone… then in short order parliament will break for another recess and before we know it the first 6 months will have been squandered on infighting, backbiting and knee jerk actions.

I voted for Labour as I wanted a fair deal for the NHS staff,having spent some time in hospital in the summer .However I feel the govt has failed us .Both Keir Starmer and his much younger attractive wife ,have taken bribes to the tune of 20k, and other MPs too.Angela Rayner wants to build as much as possible(I am not a NIMBY,just someone who enjoys country walks /Drives .) The HA has been snatched form pensioners without warning)Prisoners let out of prisons .We are not "Anti Labour" .We are disappointed at these being passed .We feel let down again!

What’s Starmer done that others didn’t ? Why should he be removed ?
‘Get your piggy banks out ‘ ? So are you implying that Labour will be profligate with Uk finances ? Which is it. Starving granny or flashing the cash to excess to fund big infrastructure projects ?

Let’s not forget the cash for honours scandal that beset Labour as well in the early days

Was the press and nation crying for Blair’s resignation then ? Can’t recall.

But pensioners on just a state pension and no private pension or income or Spanish houses have also lost their WFA whilst those on PC who have not paid tax for years can get free council tax and free dentistry end up better off than those who worked and paid in often for over 40 years. £11,500 is not much to live on but they are about £4 above being able to claim PC. Those on PC will end up about £500 pa better off. It's wrong if they wanted to cut WFA they should have used a better measure eg anyone living on more than £18k a year.

There is no way I will gain anything from a will.

I actually think he got less votes than Corbyn got. He got voted in because Tory's had pissed their own voters off so they stayed home or voted for a different party. I think Starmer only got about 20 percent of the eligible population to vote for him.

OK, I know I'm wasting my time here because you clearly have no interest in posting anything that is accurate, but there's so much misinformation in your post that I have to.

Firstly - 'much younger'? I call bullshit. Starmer is 62. His wife is 50 or thereabouts. This is not a big deal and you posting it tells me you are only interested in smears.

Secondly - they are not bribes. They were gifts, declared through the parliamentary system and not in any way illegal. We can argue about the morality of the system as it stands, and I would be in favour of MPs not being allowed to receive gifts, but bribery is a crime. This is not the same thing at all and again, posting it in those terms is a smear.

We need housing. There will be plenty of countryside left, and it's about time the NIMBYs were reined in.

The prisoner release was already in the planning by the previous government, as you would know if you had bothered to check. It was accelerated because there was an impending capacity crisis. The previous government were warned three years ago that this would happen. They did nothing.

The WFA allowance needed to be means tested. The government should not be handing out money to people who use it to buy presents for their grandchildren. The threshold should be set higher; I would suggest setting it at the income tax threshold.

Meanwhile you are (of course) ignoring all the good things Labour are doing.

So what. He still won. Tories lost because they’ve completely screwed over the country. Proved themselves incapable. Farage’s policies were pie in the sky. Poisoned chalice for LP as many said pre GE.

People aren't very bright OP and get their news from right wing rags. They aren't critical thinkers and follow the tide. Look at Brexit if you want an idea of how intelligent the great British public are.

They are salivating for the Tories because 14 years of incompetence wasn't enough. And you're right, the Daily Heil would have welcomed the WHA cuts if it was done by the Tories; if Tory voters weren't all wealthy pensioners who care only about themselves. Because the comfortably off who couldn't give a stuff about the poor, can't get more sherry at Christmas.

All a Labour government had to do was not be Tory. And they couldn't even manage that.

What honeymoon?

Yes he still won. I was giving an explanation as to why he's not popular. His personal popularity rating is now worse than Liz Truss' was.

Does that really mean anything? Liz Truss was an absolute disaster and Johnson won in a landslide.

Yet Starmer's personal popularity score is lower than all of them. It means he's not well liked across the UK.

Someone said Blair’s honeymoon lasted three years and Starmer’s three weeks

Haven’t checked but it must have been longer than this

@Lenelovich

I didn't make my point clear. Liz Truss was more popular than Starmer, apparently and she tanked the economy and lasted about 40 days in office as she was an unmitigated disaster. Boris Johnson is accused of being the worst prime minister we've ever had, yet was very popular.

Ergo these polls aren't very good indicators of how good the prime minister is so I would take them with a pinch of salt - unless of course you think Liz Truss was great, in which case no one cares about your opinion.

I voted labour for only the second time.
This time thinking that Starmer had the face to capture many dissatisfied right of centre voters and he has not disappointed.

Now the reality is how to oust him for a genuinely left of centre candidate.

I think they've hung all of the unpopular policies at the door of him leaving it open for a true leftie to swoop in.

I was hoping that might be be Angela Rayner but not convinced she's not in corrupted.

Maybe Lisa Nandy or Rachel Reeves might fit the bill?

I think this is very much the end of the beginning. There's more to come.

Can hope that Starmer won't be fighting another election as leader or labour will be unelectable. Again.

It's all just nonsense. It's the right wing media exaggerating nothing stories and trying to whip people up -- and it's working.

Daily Mail nonsense.

The Guardian has a few damning articles and the BBC even had a pretty good headline

He’ll likely survive with polling in the ditch but the real test is growth and whether his policies will stifle it

The majority of the electorate (over 50%) haven't voted for a UK government since about 1935, so I don't think it's that. I'm struggling to think of government elected with so little enthusiasm though.

Momentum? Labour are firmly in the control of the "think tank" Labour Together (and has close ties with Policy Exhange)

If we had anything like actual investigative journalism in this country everyone would know about of this group of cronies negotiating big donations between their members, ie most of Starmer's front bench, including founders Streeting & Reeves.

If what remains of the left in Labour did wrestle control back, there is a risk that there might be some universally popular policies introduced which would likely see them win the next election. Nobody with any power or influence is going to allow that.