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Have I messed up🤔😭

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Ribbeddress · 23/09/2024 23:33

Long story short - I basically accused my DH (twice in very short space of time) of cheating when he was actually totally innocent. It’s the first time that something like this has happened so I’m definitely not those insecure/jealous type of women and I normally have 150% trust in him/our marriage. Not gonna go into the details of why I accused him but it ended up being a whole misunderstanding and now I feel really bad 🥲 he told some of his family members (my in-laws) and that really broke my heart because we usually keep matters to ourselves and resolve it as a couple but now I feel like it’s gonna become something for them to gossip about and as they didn’t hear my side, it’ll definitely paint me out to be some paranoid jealous insecure wife (which I am certainly not). Anyway, he’s mainly upset that I didn’t trust him (which I completely understand) but I feel like I’ve really messed up 😭 what should I do?

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RedHotChilliPreppers · 24/09/2024 08:17

dabbadoo · 24/09/2024 08:06

in my professional and personal experience, when a woman thinks/feels/senses she's being cheated on, she's right.

I used to think that a woman’s intuition was a bit pie in the sky until something major happened to me. Now in my 50’s I know it’s dead right to trust it.

If your gut tells you something, listen to it.

footgoldcycle · 24/09/2024 08:21

So he's messaging someone else. You checked his phone and found the messages. He turned it round on you. He then told lora if family about it, making you the bad guy and him the innocent victim. When he leaves for the other women then it's understandable as "you drove him to it"

That's the script! Please listen to your gut

MsNeis · 24/09/2024 08:21

RedHotChilliPreppers · 24/09/2024 08:17

I used to think that a woman’s intuition was a bit pie in the sky until something major happened to me. Now in my 50’s I know it’s dead right to trust it.

If your gut tells you something, listen to it.

Exactly. Intuition is a fast track way your body has to convey crucial information. Information that your senses have already picked up! It's not an imaginary friend: it's the most powerful tool and, when reason works with it (not against it), amazing things happen.
So yes: trust your gut!

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PuddlesPityParty · 24/09/2024 08:38

DreamTheMoors · 24/09/2024 07:31

My husband did cheat. For years. I told my parents and the rest of my family when I filed for divorce.
Because I didn’t want to drag them into my drama.

That’s your choice but I doubt anyone would be saying you shouldn’t have because it would have upset your now ex at the time.

Roseshavethorns · 24/09/2024 09:08

Unfortunately I agree with the majority. Your DH telling you that you are wrong does not mean you are.
It sounds like that Shaggy song - It wasn't me.

Imagine messages like this made up conversation.

Woman: Did you book it?
H: Yes
Woman: It's going to be so romantic.
H: Can't wait.
H: Wife has seen these messages.
Woman: What will you do?
H: Tell her she's wrong. She will believe me just because I say so.

Now it could be that in the above scenario the husband has booked a romantic weekend away with his wife as a surprise and the woman has helped with the details. Or he could be cheating.

How does he make his wife feel better? He shows her the booking. It spoils the surprise but he loves his wife and his wife is upset.
He is annoyed that his great surprise is ruined so talks about his hurt with his family. Totally understandable. But in this scenario he has put his wife first.

But just telling her she's wrong and then acting out of character (telling others about the accusations), how is that dealing with the hurt that his wife is feeling?

Blaming the wife for interpreting the messages in a logical way without providing a different explanation with proof? He is being totally disrespectful and treating her like a fool. He could make her feel better but chooses not to. Instead he chose to make her feel worse by telling others.

Or he could be cheating.

OP I think you have made a deliberate choice to believe him when many wouldn't. That's a valid choice if that's what you want to do. You will have your reasons. But please make sure that you are honest with yourself. Don't let him make you feel weak or stupid because you have made that choice.

Ribbeddress · 24/09/2024 09:15

Thistooshallpass24 · 24/09/2024 02:35

@Ribbeddress

how old are you, you say young and your style of writing implies young
Is your partner older?
In one sense you seem upset in another a bit flippant
Do you have anyone outside the relationship to talk to?

My partner is a couple of years older - yes because I’m experiencing both of those emotions (upset at myself and how he reacted, I think it should have stayed between us but I know people will say he was within his rights blah blah)

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Ribbeddress · 24/09/2024 09:16

LoggingToad · 24/09/2024 02:38

You don't want to be repairing the situation till you have the full facts.

Texts messages are evidence and he should be now transparent and open, willing to reassure you. If you blindly trust him and then are admonished by his family this will do untold damage to you.

Him opening up to his family sounds like a way to humiliate you and make you back down from further questioning.
I get it, you love him and want to trust him but some people should not be trusted.

I was given the full facts and that’s why I chose to believe him.

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Ribbeddress · 24/09/2024 09:17

NQOCDarling · 24/09/2024 03:59

Eerm, misused, not misinterpreted by PPs...

Broadcast: To make known over a wide area: synonym: announce.

I used the term flippantly

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Ribbeddress · 24/09/2024 09:23

Teanbiscuits33 · 24/09/2024 04:12

I know you’ve said you don’t want to go into detail, but it matters quite a lot WHY you accused someone you claim you trust 150% not just once, but twice, of cheating.

If you’re really not the jealous type and usually trust him, then something tells me you were reasonable to suspect him whether you were mistaken or not. If he has been behaving really oddly and out of character, then it’s reasonable to have suspected, is it not? I don’t think anyone can blame you, and the cynic in me would wonder if he’s told his parents about it to make a fuss and throw you off the scent by making out the accusation is completely OUTRAGEOUS enough to have told them, while also making you the villain.

If he doesn’t normally divulge your marital problems to his parents, that’s an odd display of behaviour. It could be totally innocent but it isn’t adding up to me given what you’ve said.

Edited

I basically saw something along the lines of him going on a “date” and that he needed an “upgrade” which I read too much into perhaps

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BarbedButterfly · 24/09/2024 09:24

I actually don't agree with a lot of these replies. We never talk to our family about our issues as it can affect how they see us and make relationships difficult in the future. Absolutely fine to talk to friends or similar, but I have seen too many cases where someone talks in hurt and anger, the family naturally changes opinion of the person and then the partner gets frustrated that their partner won't see their family anymore. But seems we are a bit unusual that way from responses.

I also think if you saw not so innocent messages most people would assume cheating and it is ridiculous to get angry about someone making that assumption because they should know you aren't that kind of person. No one is perfect and sometimes the people who seem the most loving and nice are cheats too.

Obviously you can work through this together, but I just wanted to add a different voice here.

BarbedButterfly · 24/09/2024 09:25

Hang on, I have just seen your last message. Needing an upgrade and going on a date? Yeah, mumsnet would have all been shouting about him cheating for that.

Seasmoke · 24/09/2024 09:26

Yeah I don't think so. Especially since instead of explaining what he meant, he accused you of invading his privacy.

Ribbeddress · 24/09/2024 09:27

BarbedButterfly · 24/09/2024 09:24

I actually don't agree with a lot of these replies. We never talk to our family about our issues as it can affect how they see us and make relationships difficult in the future. Absolutely fine to talk to friends or similar, but I have seen too many cases where someone talks in hurt and anger, the family naturally changes opinion of the person and then the partner gets frustrated that their partner won't see their family anymore. But seems we are a bit unusual that way from responses.

I also think if you saw not so innocent messages most people would assume cheating and it is ridiculous to get angry about someone making that assumption because they should know you aren't that kind of person. No one is perfect and sometimes the people who seem the most loving and nice are cheats too.

Obviously you can work through this together, but I just wanted to add a different voice here.

Yes, these are the same reasons why him telling his family got my back up a bit. It’s just about how they could potentially start viewing me (I could be totally wrong) but we’re all humans and our opinions of someone can change very quickly based on what we’re told whether it’s true or not I suppose.

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PuddlesPityParty · 24/09/2024 09:29

Ribbeddress · 24/09/2024 09:23

I basically saw something along the lines of him going on a “date” and that he needed an “upgrade” which I read too much into perhaps

OP stop with the bread crumbing. Either don’t say what it was or do. The way you’re doing it is clearly to get people on your side. It’s clearly working with the majority of posters but in all honesty it’s making you seem like hard work and less trustworthy to me. Date and upgrades don’t sound great but you clearly think the full context of them mean nothing was going on - it’s up to you what you share but the way you’re doing it is so disingenuous.

Aysegull · 24/09/2024 10:40

PuddlesPityParty · 24/09/2024 09:29

OP stop with the bread crumbing. Either don’t say what it was or do. The way you’re doing it is clearly to get people on your side. It’s clearly working with the majority of posters but in all honesty it’s making you seem like hard work and less trustworthy to me. Date and upgrades don’t sound great but you clearly think the full context of them mean nothing was going on - it’s up to you what you share but the way you’re doing it is so disingenuous.

I agree. Despite many posters trying to discuss the matter and help her see it differently if there was indeed something to be concerned about, she’s still focussing on him speaking to his family about it, which does suggest that she’s deliberately posting things to get people on her side.

NQOCDarling · 24/09/2024 11:13

Ribbeddress · 24/09/2024 09:17

I used the term flippantly

You didn't give us that impression initially

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XChrome · 24/09/2024 14:01

The most extraordinary thing that I don't understand about The Script is how, how on earth, do so many men follow the same Script when they have presumably not been taught it school? Surely it isn't a hidden lesson or exam at school that all of the boys keep to themselves?

It's because there are only so many ways you can manipulate somebody when you're caught cheating and don't want her to leave you. You can deny it and just keep lying and gaslighting, which is what OP's partner appears to be doing, you can admit to it but blame your cheated on partner for it, or you can admit but swear the OW meant nothing, that it's over, and beg your partner to stay. This last technique is when the crocodile tears come out.
Equally, there are only so many things you can say which will facilitate these manipulation techniques.
That's why there seems to be a script they've all read.

OP, as other posters have pointed out, he is gaslighting you, and it does not matter how overused the word is because this is very definition of it. You saw some evidence that adds up to cheating and he's convinced you that you were being irrational to think the dodgy messages actually were evidence of cheating. He said he was going on a date and needed an "upgrade."
That sounds pretty conclusive, unless he was talking to a friend and was joking. Even if he was, it's a mean joke to say he needs to upgrade from you and is pretty revealing as to how he sees you. Also, why would he not say it was a joke instead of saying it meant nothing?
Those are really the only two possible interpretations, so
however you look at it, this is shady AF.
Stop letting him talk you into thinking you were in the wrong.

As for telling his relatives, this is another classic cheater techniqe. They spread the word that you are irrational so that nobody will believe you even if you have unequivocal proof of cheating. That is also part of the script- the smear campaign.
By cheaterspeak I meant the typical bullshit they come out with when they are caught.
When my ex was cheating he made sure to lie about me behind my back so that he would have people's sympathy if his deceit was discovered. This is also in The Script. It worked so well that some of my own family members were on his side. One of them, possibly two, still are, all these years later even though he cut off all contact with them.
So I'd talk to your family and friends about this before he grabs the narrative with them, too.

HobbyHorse30 · 27/09/2024 07:41

If your original post is accurate, as you insist it is and that he wasn't cheating, then he's well within his rights to reach out to his family for some support after you falsely accused him twice of the same thing. Maybe they will think badly of you, as you're worried they will, but if your behaviour wasn't great then them accurately observing that isn't on anyone but you.

Frankly though, from your later posts I'm not convinced you were so wrong in your accusations. You definitely haven't got anything other than his word that you're wrong, and it sounds like you saw plenty of evidence to support your accusations. That said, the drip-feeding isn't helpful and other posters have already pointed out that you're not coming across as particularly reliable

mezlou84 · 27/09/2024 07:51

I disagree that he shouldn't have told them in a way. First thing you would do if you were hurt emotionally or physically is try find someone to talk to and not bottle up feelings. Yes its annoying because it wasn't true but expecting him not to tell a soul is ridiculous. If he accused you out of the blue and he didn't listen to your answers it would frustrate you and make you even more upset and angry. Then he accused you again in a short space of time I can guarantee that because he wasn't listening to your explanation you would tell a friend in the least instance and possibly mother or sister if you have them and have any closeness. Little petty things yes you keep to yourself but something big that can affect your mental health then why shouldn't he have a support system. With a second accusation you basically said you're a liar, I can't trust you, I don't know what to do with this relationship. Their is no relationship without trust and it left him reeling most likely, with him needing to talk through his hurt and pain. Put yourself in his shoes and be honest with yourself on how you'd react because I know I wouldn't of been as calm if my hubby of 16yrs, partner of 23yrs came out with that when innocent for a second time. I would of told him to have a rethink packed mine and kids bags and gone to my mam's. I would of been so angry and hurt that he didn't believe me the first time and very hurt he thought that of me even a first time which would of been kept to myself the second would've been the last straw. Don't try turning it round on him and accept everything that has been said and done at face value.You've apologised and I assume all the ins and outs of why you accused him, he knows, but it will be hard for him to build the trust up again but you'll have to try.

hot2trotter · 27/09/2024 10:54

You sound incredibly naive. Without knowing the content of the messages it's hard to say, but I'm a big believer in trusting your gut. And not being "convinced" by the other party that you are wrong. You say you've messed up and want to put it right - but we don't actually know of you've messed up - your initial thoughts might have been spot on but you've been persuaded otherwise, it seems. And now he's got his family involved and painted you as the problem. Doesn't sound good.

Harry12345 · 27/09/2024 11:17

if I told my family something they would support me but stay out of it and it would not cause any drama/upset, if my dp told his mum, his aunties find out and they’d all be bitching, I’d be judged, his mum would be awful to me, there’d be passive aggressive comments made. So as much as we should all be able to vent, if ops in-laws are anything like mine I’d be upset too

Unicornsanddiscoballs91 · 27/09/2024 20:26

Unless you've already posted why you suspected he was cheating, we haven't really got the context as to how bad it was or why he felt the need to tell his family.

We are missing a bit of context. Sorry op.

Unicornsanddiscoballs91 · 27/09/2024 21:04

OK.

I've read the updates.

Him 'reassuring you' that he isn't cheating because you found the messages, doesn't mean he's being honest. Sorry it doesn't. You looked so you doubted him already, he's now manipulated you into saying he's not cheating. You already didn't trust him to check the phone. What's changed?

Lip service?

He tells you not to broadcast stuff to family and friends etc. But then goes to his family, now, as a manipulator, that's the perfect way to do it 'mummy, she's accused me of cheating, I'm so upset' (whilst manipulating mummy too) and laying a firm alibi and trail. Whereby he keeps coming out smelling of roses. You, crackers.

I guess that's what you are worrying about, the image he has portrayed of you with your 'accusations', but, actually, you've got far bigger fish to fry, i.e where you go from here in your marriage.

I don't think you were wrong to accuse him of cheating if you saw stuff like that. I think checking phones is wrong, but, also know that means things aren't right and either way, whatever you'd found, if you'd found anything, if you'd been caught, your relationship is not right, not if you're having to be intrusive on his privacy.

eeeeeeeee · 27/09/2024 21:13

I don’t know why you’ve been so cryptic OP, from the information you’ve provided it simultaneously sounds like you are in the right and in the wrong over the same thing. It’s just confusing to read/understand - so you’re going to receive inaccurate advice.

Partners wrongly accusing each other of cheating could be seen as abusive or stressful, so it makes sense for them to speak to family for support. But if he’s actually cheating, or if you had a genuine reason for concern, then it can come across as him painting you in a bad light to his family. Especially if his justification to you was just “trust me” or “you shouldn’t be in my messages”. It’s like he’s ignoring your concerns especially if the content of the messages was hurtful to you eg calling someone else an upgrade over you

I think from the limited information, you might have more problems in your hands than just this.

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