Trump Harris debate

[LawrieForShepherdsBoy]

I couldn’t sleep so figured I’d get out of bed to watch.

Anyone else? I have moved bedding to the sofa. Cat has joined me - coming out in support of the cat ladies.

About to get a cup of tea. I was about to join Pod Save America community so could access their discord but figured I’d try here first.

According to Wiki, there are about 4 million Americans with Hungarian heritage. Unfortunately, they tend to be concentrated in the north-east and northern mid-west, including the swing states of Pennsylvania and Wisconsin

His usual song and dance…😁

I think now Taylor Swift has endorsed Harris, hopefully this will swing it the democrats way but the commentator who said she is not getting through to male voters and black male voters, that is correct so, the race is not over.....but he is such an idiot. Surely we don't have to have him for 4 more years.

AND for the first two years of the presidency, he had a Republican majority in both the House and Senate…so passing any hypothetical plans would have been a doddle. (FWIW, Biden has never had a Democratic House and Senate majority in tandem.)

I didn’t see it. Who won on the economy?

Immigration and women’s rights are interesting but having some dollars in your pocket in a tough cost of living crunch is going to settle this.

Not Trump. He doesn't understand how tariffs work, and Harris exposed this weakness here. He seems to believe that tariffs are paid by international companies; they are in fact paid by the importing company, ie. in this case, a US company. Any increased costs are then commonly passed on to consumers.

Sadly, many women in America do and will vote for him.
Some very worrying programmes recently. The man is just uncontrollable, and looking forxa dictatordip.
Watch Marr Frie's documentary 'Trump -should we be scared?'

He didn't say it but if he said it he didn't mean it and if he did mean it it doesn't matter because yadayadayada....

This is the trouble though. People will argue themselves into they're blue (red) in the face to avoid admitting the actual truth: that the person representing them is an abusive, women-loathing liar and fraud. Once you whip up a populist frenzy they stop listening to what is actually being said or for some of them they stop even caring.

There are people that say that it's okay that he says he will become a dictator (we won't have to worry about elections in four years time; we'll avoid those parts of the constitiution that we disagree with etc etc).

This stuff about cults explains the Trump allure:

When a cult is offering a unique religious movement that feels safe but also a way to find their inner worth, they are likely to believe every word they are being told.

Cult leaders are known to repeat various lies and distortions until members find it difficult to distinguish between reality and cult life.

To maintain a false sense of comfort, cults often rely on paranoia tactics. Cult leaders convince their victims that a group, their families, and/or the government is out to get them, but that the cult can provide safety. Once a cult member comes to the conclusion that their families and country cannot keep them safe, they begin to worship and put all of their faith in their cult leader.

It's happened in the UK with the anti-vax movement and Brexit. Not everyone who agreed with those things was seduced in a cultish way, but there were many people who just believed every lie that was fed to them and thought it made them more powerful and more insightful that they knew things the rest of us just didn't (with our pesky facts and what not).

The problem is that the MAGA people
actually don't care what he says. I think that's the mistake a lot of people make-they think that if Trump is proved to be the unhinged liar we know him to be that will make the Republican core voters change their minds. It won't. As he said, he could murder someone in the middle of Broadway they'd still vote for him. I don't know what the Democrats need to do to defeat him, but being reasonable and fact checking won't
do it.....

Did she really say she owns a gun? I have a Democrat friend who’s only reason to support Democrats is the issue of guns.

'@CurlewKate

The problem is that the MAGA people
actually don't care what he says. I think that's the mistake a lot of people make-they think that if Trump is proved to be the unhinged liar we know him to be that will make the Republican core voters change their minds. It won't. As he said, he could murder someone in the middle of Broadway they'd still vote for him. I don't know what the Democrats need to do to defeat him, but being reasonable and fact checking won't do it.....'

Exactly. MAGA is like a cult and certainly not based on logic or reason.

I watched the https://www.channel4.com/programmes/trump-should-we-be-scared documentary and it is quite concerning.

Fundamentalist Christians (who don't seem to be bothered that they are supporting a convicted felon), some business owners, the anti-abortion lot, the anti-immigrants, some latinos, men who don't like the idea of a black woman being president...there is a large part of the electorate who is going to vote for him no matter what he does or say.

Let's hope they are enough decent people who can see through his madness and who vote for Harris in the end.

I'm actually in shock at the many online sites praising him, the comments from people are in the thousands ! Saying that he was speaking the truth, everything he said was true, there's even 'real videos ' of the people eating their pets ! 😂🙄

Can anyone tell me what is with everyone waiting with bated breath to see what Taylor Swift was announcing about who she was endorsing? The internet nearly blew up , people couldn't post quick enough.

@dottiehens "Did she really say she owns a gun? I have a Democrat friend who’s only reason to support Democrats is the issue of guns."

Really? The ONLY reason they are a Democrat? 🤔

I think it's mostly because trump had shared an ai image of Taylor swift telling people to vote trump. It was a fairly convincing picture of her holding a trump banner (as well as some other uncle sam type images).

It's a good warning about the worrying use of ai/fake news to distort things as basic as pretending you have endorsements that you don't have.

It's not a massive surprise as she's previously voted Biden, but it feels like she has slightly forced into making a statement given how much the fake images were circulating with her own face on and being shared/ commented on as true from people like trump

I'd certainly comment if there were pictures of me holding a banner for a cause I was against, being shared by an expresident and his team

I watched it. He talks absolute bollocks, but I suspect that the people who love him believe the bollocks that he talks.

I thought she was very solid. Sounded sensible and reasonable and landed a number of decent punches.

I'm not sure what the situation is with swing voters, but I hope she mops them up, because IMO he is a mad lunatic.

The Taylor Swift statement. Posted along with a picture of her with her lovely cat

It really highlights the dangers of deep fakes. It blows my mind that you can now generate a whole banner waving video

I hate the term post truth era but it really feels like what's happening

Trump is able to outright deny facts as fake, or said in sarcasm etc

It means that for his followers they are swallowed into a world where they believe that everyone else is lying.

I spent some time in reform UK spaces (for work) and it's the same there. People share outright false things, but don't trust the fact checkers and the positioning is that anyone who isnt with them is anti them and brain washed.
If someone then says oh hey that doesn't sound right, it's disputed with a simple "that's woke bullshit' ' the media is lying", they then strengthen their position that no one else can be trusted and that there's is the only way

It's such a them vs us feeling that is hard to break

As someone else said its either it never happened, if there's proof it's a media fake, if its clear he did say it but he wasn't being serious.

You aren't fighting facts with facts, because the nothing feels like a fact. It's feelings

There was a lot of personal attacks, but no real substance, I wanted more policy discussion. Harris came out a bit better than Trump but the questions I had are going into it are still there.

I am A Brit in the US who is on the fence, this debate didn't really help.

@Backwoods57"I am A Brit in the US who is on the fence, this debate didn't really help."

Can I ask-what are you in the fence about?

Can I ask (genuinely) why you would consider voting for Trump?

Being a convicted felon, rapist, delusional, incontinent (allegedly) misogynistic, racist, sexist, entitled aside, what would endear him to you?

I love her slightly bemused expression while Trump is talking.

Yea, me too. Was very impressed by her.

Just heard a guest on a radio discussion defend the pet eating comments as 'designed to draw attention to neglected states, which Democrats think are full of deplorables'.

Bit weird how he didn't say that, instead citing something he saw on television about immigrants eating pets. (the pet eater in question was in fact a white woman having a mental breakdown).

I'm accustomed to racist, misogynistic, rapist, all sorts of bad Trump; so not much surprised me. I found it incredible though that his disdain for her (women), was such that he couldn't even call her but name. Not once!

Do people really believe the stuff he trots out?
Given the amount of people on Instagram alone who agree that pets are being eaten then yes they do

This is the worry.

Most people on here who watched the debate, are probably people who would actually listen to the things that are being said, and have some ability to reason. But we aren't able to vote.