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just got back from japan. omg wow.

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TheBlueHoney · 08/09/2024 23:26

What a country! I saw much right there compared to Britain. 100x better infrastructure, friendlier people, safer street, luxury amazing looking roads, most well behaved children I've ever seen, modesty, people dress well, public transport etiquette, quality of food and healthy population, fantastic healthcare, longest life expectancy, lowest infant mortality, prices/affordability about same as London but get way more for your money everything better quality and no tipping culture, public bathrooms accessible everywhere and so clean and modern with built in tech. I could go on and on.

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TempestTost · 09/09/2024 16:40

I don't see these cultural differences as being about accessibility so much as understanding. You can disapprove of something in another culture in a basic way, but it takes more, usually, to get a clear understanding of how that idea works within that culture.

And it can be easy to assume that people in another culture map on in their beliefs to our own culture, often they might have some similar ideas but for a very different reason, or the logic of their approach, the history, is differernt.

It makes it difficult to have a deeper analysis of whatever it is as an outsider.

ChishiyaBat · 09/09/2024 16:43

@soberholic what is Japanese tv llike? I'm hooked on Japanese drama shows on netflix, but that is only a snapshot. I love seeing tv in other countries, my daughter is currently in Greece and is not enjoying the tv there😂.

Rosscameasdoody · 09/09/2024 17:19

FlatWhiteExtraHot · 09/09/2024 13:57

What, so if it’s culturally ok to be groped, upskirted, raped etc, then we should just put up with it? Cool 🙄.

Again, not what l meant, and definitely not supporting it. Just pointing out the facts.

Rosscameasdoody · 09/09/2024 17:23

Goldenbear · 09/09/2024 14:00

This is the point I was making, surely cultures change and evolve.

Yes, but that takes time and hopefully the generations to come will make the difference. The only point l was making is that within the country itself there’s no point coming at it from the point of view of western values because they don’t mean anything in Japan. I’m not supporting this , just pointing out the reality.

Rosscameasdoody · 09/09/2024 17:23

TempestTost · 09/09/2024 16:40

I don't see these cultural differences as being about accessibility so much as understanding. You can disapprove of something in another culture in a basic way, but it takes more, usually, to get a clear understanding of how that idea works within that culture.

And it can be easy to assume that people in another culture map on in their beliefs to our own culture, often they might have some similar ideas but for a very different reason, or the logic of their approach, the history, is differernt.

It makes it difficult to have a deeper analysis of whatever it is as an outsider.

This. Well put.

Rosscameasdoody · 09/09/2024 17:37

FlatWhiteExtraHot · 09/09/2024 14:06

The difference is I don’t ever think it’s acceptable, whether in the UK or Japan or anywhere. Saying that we have to see racism and sex crimes differently as Japan isn’t Western is batshit.

Absolutely no-one is saying that. Viewed through western eyes the racism and misogyny is clear. Not so for those of Japanese heritage. They’re more accepting because their culture demands it of them. As has been pointed out, Japan is not a western country, so as unpalatable as you may find it, western values have no meaning there.

Takoneko · 09/09/2024 18:10

Purplebunnie · 09/09/2024 12:07

But you can watch men masturbate on the subway in Japan. Watched a video all about it. It was rather disturbing

Think I'd rather see dog shit and spit

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I hate to break this to you, but men masturbating on public transport is very common in the UK. I work in safeguarding in a girls school and I deal with girls who have been harassed by men masturbating next to them or touching them on public transport depressingly frequently. Japan does have a problem with harassment and assault on public transport but that’s in the context of an otherwise very low crime society. Women and girls get touched and harassed on public transport all the time here in the UK. I’m not sure if it’s any less common here or just less newsworthy than in Japan given the relative levels of crime. Behaviour like that is definitely not seen as socially acceptable in Japan and they have taken measures to deal with it (e.g. all phones and cameras make an audible shutter sound that cannot be switched off, women only carriages during rush hour).

When I was in Japan this April I got barged by a butsukari otoko (men who deliberately barge into people, usually foreigners and women in crowded places).

It’s not good and like most countries Japan has issues with misogyny but men masturbating in public is not a uniquely Japanese problem.

In the UK we have dog shit, spit and men wanking on the tube/buses.

Epli · 09/09/2024 18:11

TinkerTiger · 09/09/2024 11:13

My brother recently went and took a photo of the 'busiest' crosswalk in the world. There were about 5 people 😂

It was raining while he was there, but perhaps it may not be as full-on as we think.

Tbh I was a bit surprised how calm, quiet and sleepy some part of Tokyo were. If it wasn't for tall buildings on the main streets I would think we were in some small town. There are districts which are full of lights and people, especially in the evening but they are easy to avoid.

Sevenwondersofthewoo · 09/09/2024 19:29

soberholic · 09/09/2024 14:46

@FlatWhiteExtraHot

Japan is big on hebephilia - not peadophilia.

what is your point it’s still wrong end off

notacooldad · 09/09/2024 20:20

My brother recently went and took a photo of the 'busiest' crosswalk in the world. There were about 5 people 😂

We got there just after rush hour. It was heaving! We went back another day and it was just as manic. It was good fun to be part of it. It is also good having a bird's-eye view if it fron a store near by.
Of course there are going to be quiet times of the day.

PaminaMozart · 09/09/2024 20:41

I hate to break this to you, but men masturbating on public transport is very common in the UK

What the actual f*ck...

In over 5 decades of taking public transport on an almost daily basis I have NEVER, not once!!, encountered a man masturbating...

Goldenbear · 09/09/2024 20:46

PaminaMozart · 09/09/2024 20:41

I hate to break this to you, but men masturbating on public transport is very common in the UK

What the actual f*ck...

In over 5 decades of taking public transport on an almost daily basis I have NEVER, not once!!, encountered a man masturbating...

I agree but I did hear unkind words about women on the Tube.

whathaveiforgotten · 09/09/2024 20:51

PaminaMozart · 09/09/2024 20:41

I hate to break this to you, but men masturbating on public transport is very common in the UK

What the actual f*ck...

In over 5 decades of taking public transport on an almost daily basis I have NEVER, not once!!, encountered a man masturbating...

It's depressingly common 😞

When I was about 18/19 a man was way too close on the tube but I didn't feel able to say anything - the age old 'don't make a fuss' social programming I now don't pay attention to.

But it completely unnerved me and when I left the station I realised he had ejaculated on my coat.

I felt completely violated and frightened. Horrible.

BurntBroccoli · 09/09/2024 21:38

Having read Susan Cain's Quiet, she found that Japanese and other Asian cultures hold the introverted personality in esteem. Respect for others, the collective and not wanting to offend.

Whereas we in the west are the opposite with extroversion being the preferred characteristic and focus on the self.

Another2Cats · 09/09/2024 22:18

I don't know if it's been mentioned already but there was an interesting article in The Times today about an elderly Japanese man that caught my attention.

It also mentioned that back in 1950 there were only 97 Japanese people over the age of 100. Today there are more than 92,000 of whom 81,000 are women.

Here is a share token and also some parts of the article (with typical Times misspelling - they're getting almost as bad as the Guardian [centurion, instead of centenarian]):

https://www.thetimes.com/article/e15e32c0-86b8-470f-9233-507d3a270bfd?shareToken=e96101f2aab774619c534b701f5ab255

100 not out: the secrets of Japan’s ‘Super Elderlies’

The runner Yoshimitsu Miyauchi is setting records in his eleventh decade in a country where the number of centurions has reached once unimaginable levels

Like all record-breaking athletes, Yoshimitsu Miyauchi has a rigorous routine of daily training and exercise. It begins before dawn with bends and stretches, followed by a 40-minute run through the paddy fields and lanes close to his home village of Gokabeppucho.

After breakfast he labours in the fields for several hours, tending to the rice, sweet potatoes and giant radishes on his small farm. It is this regime of training and tough outdoor exertion that has helped Miyauchi to scores of victories, including a new world record the other week in the 800m — to which he hopes to add a record in the 1,500m in a tournament this month. Just one thing elevates these achievements from the impressive to the extraordinary: Miyauchi is 100 years old.

Born 15 years before the Second World War, he has outlived all of his contemporaries and one of his four children. The latest of his five great-grandchildren is 98 years younger than him; his best friends are old men a generation his juniors. Even to walk 1500m, at the age of 100, would be regarded by many as a miracle, but Miyauchi runs it faster than anyone his age.

He competes, literally, in a class of his own: M-100, for athletes in their eleventh decade of life. His latest record in the 800m at the Kyushu Masters Track and Field championship in August, was by default. No one his age has ever claimed the record; he got around the track in 8 minutes 24.36 seconds in a temperature of 34C.

Having given up running in his twenties because of work, he took it up up again at the age of 65 and today his medals, trophies, and certificates fill several cabinets in his home. “I won the Japan record in the 5,000 when I was 65, and I’ve been breaking world records ever since,” he says. “It’s amazing — I just get better every time!” And yet in this country, men and women such as Miyauchi are more and more common.

With an average life expectancy of 81 for men and 87 for women, Japan is well established as the most long-lived nation in the world. Six of the 20 oldest individuals ever, all of them women, have been Japanese, as was the world’s oldest man. Many, not surprisingly, are frail — the world’s oldest living person, 116-year old Tomiko Itooka, who succeeded to the title in August, lives quietly in a nursing home near Kobe and does not grant interviews.

As the the number of centenarians increases to once unimaginable levels, a new elite class has emerged: the Super Elderlies. In the arts, business and most strikingly of all, in sport, a small number of extremely old Japanese are not only keeping their heads above water, but surging forward.

There is Yuko Tamagawa, a player of the stringed shamisen, who is performing at 101. There is Matsue Kurotaki, who runs a roasted bun shop in the town of Hakodate at the age of 100. Tomoko Horino entered the Guinness Book of Records last year as the world’s oldest beauty consultant — at 101, she still earns 100,000 yen (£530) a month selling products for the Japanese cosmetics maker, Pola.

The artist Hiroko Inoue is still painting at 105. One of Japan’s greatest and most acclaimed living artists, Yayoi Kusama, by contrast is a youthful 95. An artist of a different kind was still going strong into his 70s: Shigeo Tokuda, the world’s oldest pornographic film actor, star of such works as Maniac Training of Lolitas and Forbidden Elderly Care.

In 1950 there were 97 Japanese centenarians. At the end of September last year there were 92,000, 81,600 of them women. Last year 47,000 Japanese received a congratulatory letter from the prime minister (the Japanese equivalent of a telegram from the King). In 2009, when the number surpassed 40,000, the government had to reduce the size of the silver sake cup given to people who turned 100 — the cost was becoming prohibitive.

What is the secret of longevity and why is it longer in Japan than anywhere else? Miyauchi’s case illustrates several of the factors. Lives in Japan are notably longer in the countryside in small communities such as Gokabeppucho, where the pace of life is less stressful than in the metropolis.

High quality and universal medical care are important factors: when Miyauchi had bowel cancer six years ago, it was quickly diagnosed and whipped out — “although I did have to miss the Kagoshima marathon,” he says, with regret. The traditional Japanese diet, rich in fish and lightly cooked vegetables and low in fat, has much to do with it. But Miyauchi still enjoys a glass of potent shochu spirit once a day.

Most obvious in his case is an ebullience and love of life, uncomplicated by anguish about ageing and its inevitable end. “All men age and all men die,” he says. “I will too, one day. The important thing is how to spend every single day well.”

His focus now is on the championship this month in Kyoto, where hopes for another bag of M-100 world records. His daughter, herself an old lady, will be there cheering him on. “My family all support me,” he says. “They cheer me on by the track. They shout after me, ‘Keep running!’”

100 not out: the secrets of Japan’s ‘Super Elderlies’

The runner Yoshimitsu Miyauchi is setting records in his eleventh decade in a country where the number of centurions has reached once unimaginable levels

https://www.thetimes.com/article/e15e32c0-86b8-470f-9233-507d3a270bfd?shareToken=e96101f2aab774619c534b701f5ab255

Ilovelifeverymuch · 10/09/2024 00:18

TheBlueHoney · 08/09/2024 23:55

No country is perfect. You have selected one article, mental health among youth is actually statistically worse than in the uk

Coincidence but the guy who made the video I linked earlier, the guy who I said has lived in Japan over 20 years and does videos about the good and bad in the country and Japanese society just released another video about the issue of suicide.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LWAoc4ZLm0w

Again the country definitely has positives but the issue is people tend to paint this picture of utopia about Japan but remember the culture of saving dace is very strong in Japan so there is pressure to present a specific view always.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LWAoc4ZLm0w

Ilovelifeverymuch · 10/09/2024 00:26

Ilovelifeverymuch · 10/09/2024 00:18

Coincidence but the guy who made the video I linked earlier, the guy who I said has lived in Japan over 20 years and does videos about the good and bad in the country and Japanese society just released another video about the issue of suicide.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LWAoc4ZLm0w

Again the country definitely has positives but the issue is people tend to paint this picture of utopia about Japan but remember the culture of saving dace is very strong in Japan so there is pressure to present a specific view always.

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In summary one of the common ways to commit suicide in Japan is stepping in front of the trains and due to pressure to keep the trains running they have 15 mins to remove the body and get the train moving without waiting for paramedics etc.

To add insult to injury the family of the person who committed suicide will end up owing the train company money for the delay, or if the person survives he will get the fine I guess.

blahblahblah24 · 10/09/2024 03:13

Another2Cats · 09/09/2024 22:18

I don't know if it's been mentioned already but there was an interesting article in The Times today about an elderly Japanese man that caught my attention.

It also mentioned that back in 1950 there were only 97 Japanese people over the age of 100. Today there are more than 92,000 of whom 81,000 are women.

Here is a share token and also some parts of the article (with typical Times misspelling - they're getting almost as bad as the Guardian [centurion, instead of centenarian]):

https://www.thetimes.com/article/e15e32c0-86b8-470f-9233-507d3a270bfd?shareToken=e96101f2aab774619c534b701f5ab255

100 not out: the secrets of Japan’s ‘Super Elderlies’

The runner Yoshimitsu Miyauchi is setting records in his eleventh decade in a country where the number of centurions has reached once unimaginable levels

Like all record-breaking athletes, Yoshimitsu Miyauchi has a rigorous routine of daily training and exercise. It begins before dawn with bends and stretches, followed by a 40-minute run through the paddy fields and lanes close to his home village of Gokabeppucho.

After breakfast he labours in the fields for several hours, tending to the rice, sweet potatoes and giant radishes on his small farm. It is this regime of training and tough outdoor exertion that has helped Miyauchi to scores of victories, including a new world record the other week in the 800m — to which he hopes to add a record in the 1,500m in a tournament this month. Just one thing elevates these achievements from the impressive to the extraordinary: Miyauchi is 100 years old.

Born 15 years before the Second World War, he has outlived all of his contemporaries and one of his four children. The latest of his five great-grandchildren is 98 years younger than him; his best friends are old men a generation his juniors. Even to walk 1500m, at the age of 100, would be regarded by many as a miracle, but Miyauchi runs it faster than anyone his age.

He competes, literally, in a class of his own: M-100, for athletes in their eleventh decade of life. His latest record in the 800m at the Kyushu Masters Track and Field championship in August, was by default. No one his age has ever claimed the record; he got around the track in 8 minutes 24.36 seconds in a temperature of 34C.

Having given up running in his twenties because of work, he took it up up again at the age of 65 and today his medals, trophies, and certificates fill several cabinets in his home. “I won the Japan record in the 5,000 when I was 65, and I’ve been breaking world records ever since,” he says. “It’s amazing — I just get better every time!” And yet in this country, men and women such as Miyauchi are more and more common.

With an average life expectancy of 81 for men and 87 for women, Japan is well established as the most long-lived nation in the world. Six of the 20 oldest individuals ever, all of them women, have been Japanese, as was the world’s oldest man. Many, not surprisingly, are frail — the world’s oldest living person, 116-year old Tomiko Itooka, who succeeded to the title in August, lives quietly in a nursing home near Kobe and does not grant interviews.

As the the number of centenarians increases to once unimaginable levels, a new elite class has emerged: the Super Elderlies. In the arts, business and most strikingly of all, in sport, a small number of extremely old Japanese are not only keeping their heads above water, but surging forward.

There is Yuko Tamagawa, a player of the stringed shamisen, who is performing at 101. There is Matsue Kurotaki, who runs a roasted bun shop in the town of Hakodate at the age of 100. Tomoko Horino entered the Guinness Book of Records last year as the world’s oldest beauty consultant — at 101, she still earns 100,000 yen (£530) a month selling products for the Japanese cosmetics maker, Pola.

The artist Hiroko Inoue is still painting at 105. One of Japan’s greatest and most acclaimed living artists, Yayoi Kusama, by contrast is a youthful 95. An artist of a different kind was still going strong into his 70s: Shigeo Tokuda, the world’s oldest pornographic film actor, star of such works as Maniac Training of Lolitas and Forbidden Elderly Care.

In 1950 there were 97 Japanese centenarians. At the end of September last year there were 92,000, 81,600 of them women. Last year 47,000 Japanese received a congratulatory letter from the prime minister (the Japanese equivalent of a telegram from the King). In 2009, when the number surpassed 40,000, the government had to reduce the size of the silver sake cup given to people who turned 100 — the cost was becoming prohibitive.

What is the secret of longevity and why is it longer in Japan than anywhere else? Miyauchi’s case illustrates several of the factors. Lives in Japan are notably longer in the countryside in small communities such as Gokabeppucho, where the pace of life is less stressful than in the metropolis.

High quality and universal medical care are important factors: when Miyauchi had bowel cancer six years ago, it was quickly diagnosed and whipped out — “although I did have to miss the Kagoshima marathon,” he says, with regret. The traditional Japanese diet, rich in fish and lightly cooked vegetables and low in fat, has much to do with it. But Miyauchi still enjoys a glass of potent shochu spirit once a day.

Most obvious in his case is an ebullience and love of life, uncomplicated by anguish about ageing and its inevitable end. “All men age and all men die,” he says. “I will too, one day. The important thing is how to spend every single day well.”

His focus now is on the championship this month in Kyoto, where hopes for another bag of M-100 world records. His daughter, herself an old lady, will be there cheering him on. “My family all support me,” he says. “They cheer me on by the track. They shout after me, ‘Keep running!’”

Soon there will be no young people to prop the oldies up though. No one wants to have children in Japan anymore.

Rubydoobydoobydoo · 10/09/2024 09:31

whathaveiforgotten · 09/09/2024 20:51

It's depressingly common 😞

When I was about 18/19 a man was way too close on the tube but I didn't feel able to say anything - the age old 'don't make a fuss' social programming I now don't pay attention to.

But it completely unnerved me and when I left the station I realised he had ejaculated on my coat.

I felt completely violated and frightened. Horrible.

Yes, depressingly common. On a busy commuter train one morning a man sat there, hand in pocket and jiggling in front of dozens of pairs of disapproving eyes. Didn't actually get his dick out but was masturbating very openly. And on a late-night tube, where I got into a carriage with several people at the end of the line, the moment they got off and the carriage was empty apart from me and a lone man, he moved to sit opposite me and then pulled his dick out and started stroking it. It was the 90s - no camera phone to grab his picture. And that's without all the dozens of men who, over 20 years of living and commuting in London, rubbed themselves against me or managed to lurch around and 'accidentally' touch my breast.

Poettree · 10/09/2024 09:35

Sexual harassment and generally gross behaviour on public transport is universal. Predators who use their commute as a opportunity to assault women will benefit from crowded trains and the 'accidental' body contact that results, which is perhaps why Japan's trains are notorious. What I'm realising more and more is that these types are watching and waiting, they don't think like normal men, and they will choose their moments carefully and then act decisively.

crowisland · 10/09/2024 18:11

Blondiebeachbabe · 09/09/2024 08:18

Did you know, that almost all married men also have a mistress? The wives usually know, and have to accept it. Also, the school girl fetish is really off putting, they have bars where all the waitresses dress like children. I guess nowhere is perfect!

What is your evidence ?

Weald56 · 10/09/2024 18:19

We visited Japan for the first time earlier this year, and I agree 100% re: the infrastructure, the politeness (& helpfulness) of the people you meet and the way everything seems to work. I'd let Japan run our rail system for a start!!

Of course there are issues there but I found 'Abroad in Japan' by Chris Broad an excellent book for explaining Japan to the British.

artsperson · 10/09/2024 18:25

I loved Japan. While in Tokyo there was an earthquake. The next day there were elaborate apologies for delays on the railways.
Interestingly Japanese society is very superstitious.
It does come as a shock to visit a society with no graffiti, no yobbery and no littering. The plethora of clean public lavatories is also a shock. Incidentally I don't believe Japanese parents hit their children more than Europeans do.
When you return to the UK from Japan home can look a bit shabby and run down.
Japan is a long archipelago so it's climatically and culturally diverse.
Just go and decide for yourself.