The recurrent discussion about bum scrunch leggings

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Or whatever they're called.

To me it's obvious they're designed to accentuate a woman's rear end, for the benefit/attraction of men.

But that's OK, why do women pretend they never do anything to try an attract a man, when biology/history shows that's pretty much why we're on the planet and occupies an awful lot of time, from puberty onwards.(and vice versa)?

If women want some sexual attention they're perfectly free to behave in whatever way they believe will get it. Why do those who do it deny it and women who see it judge it?

Others might do it differently, in ways they consider less obvious, but it's there.

Why is it a bad thing?

It's depressing to realise that women will never not be blamed.

Lesbians are also heavily sexualised, thanks to, once again, men and porn.

@Besttimelftheyear but some women do dress for the male gaze. It’s their choice but I thought the OPs point no one actually admits to that.

The reason I dislike these leggings (like other leggings) is because no one needs visible puckered fabric near the arsehole.

I think it's a subconscious thing, really. A woman might dress sexually just to feel good about herself with absolutely no intention of pulling a man. However, subconsciously, we really do dress sexily to find a mate, attract a man (if we're straight). It's an evolutionary thing. A bit like a man sleeping around might have no desire to be a father, but the desire to do it comes from a subconscious desire to spread his seed.
A lot of our behaviour is evolutionary.

I think I’m annoyed with 80s feminism that got women worked up about not having to wear sexy clothing and walk round on display, but has now decided that there’s nothing sexy about arse hugging clothing at all and all the fuss was about nothing. If what women enjoy wearing coincidentally coincides with what men enjoy looking at then that’s a win win and we could have skipped decades of angry women wearing dungarees

Because when I do those things, it makes me feel like I'm put together and organised and ready to tackle the day ahead.

Does it really make you feel good though to be treated like a piece of meat or have inappropriate comments made by men because they are of the belief you've dressed specifically to entice and please them?! And that how you have chosen to dress, allows men to say what they feel and that it's your fault if you don't act how they expect you to?

The should definitely be called Baboon Bum leggings!

I don’t care whether people wear them or not, whether to attract male attention (knowingly) or not.

But it’s obviously is going to attract attention and notice by men and women, and judgement at times, as they basically display the inside of people’s arse cheeks with some of them having added puckering for a massive simulated arsehole. Good for you if you want to wear them but obviously it’s noticeable. The more women wear them the more used to them everyone becomes I suppose….

So when you put a pair of jeans or leggings or shorts on, your first thought is how men will appreciate the outline of your bum?

I've commented on my friends bum because it looked good and she's lost a ton of weight and really got into shape, I'm so jealous.

Difference is, women make the comment to be nice, men do it with a sexual motive. Women don't make other women uncomfortable when they talk about their bodies, men do make other women uncomfortable

I'm not sure why women are so determined to insist other women only ever dress for mens sexual gratification and assuming it's so if anything happens, then it becomes the women's fault for her clothing choice and the poor men can continued to be protected.

As someone who has been around since before the 80s I'm not actually sure where to begin this one. However, 80s feminism WAS women not some abstract self contained entity dicating morals and taste. 'It' hasn't 'decided' anything.

'Got women worked up' is patronising and frankly insults the intelligence of 80s women. The bit about win/win makes some sweeping, and incorrect, assumptions about what all women think.

Finally, I must have skipped the few decades of masses of angry women wearing dungarees which is a great shame as I like a dungaree for gardening. And, I'm also quite angry but that's because an entire movement that made the lives of women a bit better (not completely but a bit is something) is dismissed as being a mistaken tyrant of women's clothing.

Some women may do. What I'm heavily objecting to is the persisting insistence that ALL women do and as one poster crudely put it

The woman feels 'confidence' because she perceives herself as performing well as a sexualised object

Once again, it's yet another thread today where the male apologisers are doing the work of men and telling women how they are wrong.

I am liberal clothes wise and try to stick to the legs or boob rule but not both. but the leggings are too baboon like for me.

It's the equivalent of a huge ripe baboon arse in someone's face.

I think generally men think anything that accentuates your boobs/bum looks great.

Women think anything that makes you look slim/more curveless looks great. And current fashions etc

So it's tricky. I do think if you're accentuating boobs/bums there's probably a part of you doing it for the male gaze, even if you're not aware of it.

But what's wrong with wanting to attract men? I definitely dress more 'sexily' whenever I'm ovulating - it's not even a conscious choice, I just do it!

You might not have to wait long for that. The 90s are back so the ultra low rise will be along soon.

I dress pretty much exclusively for other women, despite being a straight woman. Lots of men, unlike they are genuinely into women's fashion, wouldn't really 'get' my style, or might find it dowdy or bland. In either case, I don't really care. Instead, I really enjoy a knowing, appreciative "Ooooh!" from a female friend or colleague who also enjoys well cut garments in nice natural fibres, sourced second hand.

What if they're wearing it to look attractive to everybody?

What if they’re wearing it to look attractive to absolutely nobody.

I dress in what I like, and what I’m comfortable in, and usually give absolutely zero fucks what the surrounding men OR women think.

If you have a bum that looks good in them wear them.

To get and maintain a bum that looks good in them is a LOT of work in the gym. When you show off a fit body you are not showing off a fit body, you are showing off things like consistency, hard work, discipline. That's what it takes.

You have to be smart and filter out people who want you for your body.

I can't wait till pancake arse is seen as attractive, I'll be in my prime.

@MsCactus there's nothing wrong with wanting to attract men.

But op said that women who where these type of leggings are doing it to attract men. They just won't admit it.

That's it so rape apologist it's unreal.

Just think for a moment how revolting that is. If a woman does or wears anything that accentuates her body. She is subconsciously trying to attract men. What, any men? What if the woman is a lesbian? Is she also trying to attract lesbians?

It's a crock of shit. A woman can be proud of her face, body, arse and it doesn't mean she's thinking about a man.

Those things look obscene, so I think in their case, they are definitely worn for attention of some kind.

But wanting to attract the male gaze is not consenting to them having sex with you or even approaching you.

You point out that trying to attract a mate through your appearancd has always been a thing. So has pressure to conform to social norms. Trying to show off all your body parts has long been frowned upon in civilised society. I guess there's some kind of continuum from nun's habit at one end, to strolling down the street in nothing but a g-string and a sign saying 'Get it here!' at the other end. Bum-scrunching leggings are clearly a bit too far along the continuum for a lot of people. Plus they look absolutely bloody stupid.

I'm in my forties now but when they first came out I had a pair and wore em til they gasped their last because I have big round buttocks, narrow hips and broad thighs. Mine were waffle material, fit particularly well and hit the sweet spot of accommodating yet secure. They also didn't go see-through when I'd bend (I have split gym leggings before, if I go bigger to accommodate my bum they either reach my nipples or fall down when I run). I didn't buy another pair cos everyone went on that much about them I started to feel stupid and didn't want to make a statement I wasn't looking to make. I come from the 90s when arses were meant to be child-sized, times have definitely changed but I don't want anyone looking at my arse if I can avoid it, my dream gym wear would be an invisibility morph suit 😂