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Thread 7 Starmer : Cats and Conferences

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DuncinToffee · 03/09/2024 23:32

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Notonthestairs · 11/09/2024 20:07

HannibalHeyes · 11/09/2024 19:07

MP who objected to a ban on upskirting, objected to the pardoning of WWII hero Alan Turing and opposed ending female genital mutilation has been put forward by the Tories to join the Modernisation Select Committee...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/sep/10/tory-traditionalist-christopher-chope-modernisation-committee

I liked the quote that Chope hasn't met legislation that he hasn't wanted to antiquate.

Notonthestairs · 11/09/2024 21:07

Thornberry has been elected Chair of the Foreign Affairs Committee.

Zonder · 11/09/2024 23:21

I hope she's happy with that. I was sorry not to see her in government.

cardibach · 12/09/2024 00:07

I’m really glad she’s got a chunky committee to chair. She’ll be brilliant at that.

TooBigForMyBoots · 12/09/2024 01:06

At last we're getting a Public Inquiry into the murder of Pat Finucane. Hilary Benn announced it today.

I remember the fear, panic and sadness in my community when it happened.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp35e2g254po

CassieMaddox · 12/09/2024 07:35

NHS report - the Conservatives are annoying already
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c0qejx03zjnt?post=asset%3Aeff0ca20-9766-4518-aae3-e48867f9a163#post

Not sure how on earth this gets fixed with no money. I think I'd start by funding GP surgeries differently (not by registered patient) and by reviewing front line services to make them more efficient from a patient point of view.

It can't possibly be value for money for a patient to book an appointment to see a GP, then another one to get bloods, then another to review results.

DS was in A&E the other week and told at least 4 clinicians the same things. Again, hard to see how that is efficient.

I guess the other option is to try to get some private investment (maybe via implementing tech innovation on a try now pay later basis) but with PFI that ended up costing £££

Very interested to hear what streeting says

Lord Darzi review: NHS must reform or die, says Starmer after report on health service failings

A government-commissioned report finds "ballooning" NHS waiting times and delays are harming health and costing lives.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c0qejx03zjnt?post=asset%3Aeff0ca20-9766-4518-aae3-e48867f9a163#post

Notonthestairs · 12/09/2024 07:46

Does the new report cover NHS estate?

Kings Fund report from 2023.

"It shows that the NHS needs to spend £11.6 billion to return its run-down buildings and equipment to a suitable condition."

"Two key pieces of analysis by the Institute for Governmentt and the Institute for Fiscal Studiesshave identified capital underinvestment as one of the key areas contributing to lower-than-desired NHS productivityy. In 20199, the UK spent 0.33% of GDP on capital investment in health care, compared to an average of 0.48% for comparable countries, and this trend of underinvestment has been consistent for nearly 20 yearss. The trend was exacerbated by the siphoning of £4.3 billion from capital budgets into revenuee as a response to the lack of resource in core day-to-day NHS budgets between 2014/15 and 2018/19. This short termism is likely contributing to the lower-than-expected hospital productivity seen since the Covid-19 pandemic, as staff try to work with less equipment and outdated technology in deteriorating buildings. The Institute for Governmentt put it well saying, ‘Ultimately, if large increases in the workforce are not matched in capital almost any system will get less productive.’ The idea of spending money on buildings and equipment might have seemed less important than directing it to ‘the front line’ but now staff are facing additional operational pressures ‘generated by the level of backlog maintenancee’. "

www.kingsfund.org.uk/insight-and-analysis/blogs/nhs-estate-continues-deteriorate

Alexandra2001 · 12/09/2024 07:53

@CassieMaddox Yes Tories are certainly annoying!!!

NHS needs to to bring back in privatised services and undo those Lansley "reforms"
Parts of NHS IT is dire and that will need money, there isn't any other way but the problem with larger IT projects is "Customer orders x and y, by the time the project is implemented, hw and sw is going out of support, the new hw and sw is no longer compatible with customers older infrastructure, so the project has to expand, meanwhile, testing shows that what they could do with the old system, can't be done with the new one, so that needs fixing" more delay more cost and so it goes on.

Nauseating hearing ex tory ministers banging on about pensioner deaths, whilst they ran down the NHS and caused '000s of deaths and misery for those on waiting lists.

Notonthestairs · 12/09/2024 08:34

On Lansley reforms -

In his report, Lord Darzi said the “Health and Social Care Act of 2012 was a calamity without international precedent. It proved disastrous.” He added: “In the last 15 years, the NHS was hit by three shocks — ­austerity and starvation of investment, confusion caused by top-down ­reorganisation, and then the pandemic, which came with resilience at an all-time low. Two out of three of those shocks were choices made in West­minster.”
Darzi said the 2012 reforms represented a “scorched-earth approach to health reform” as it dissolved NHS management structures in a “uniquely complicated piece of legislation”. The reforms established more than 300 new NHS organisations, which led to “institutional confusion”, from which the NHS was still recovering.

Pleased to see NHS estate is covered in the report.

www.thetimes.com/uk/healthcare/article/lord-darzi-report-nhs-review-6td77lqdw

Notonthestairs · 12/09/2024 08:41

Also from the Times -
"The new ten-year plan, expected to be published in the spring, will involve “three big shifts”: greater use of technology, shifting care from hospitals to communities and moving from sickness to prevention."

NHS technology is ‘15 years behind private sector’

The review by Lord Darzi of Denham, to conclude on Thursday, is expected to criticise the health service’s app and poor use of patient data for research

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/healthcare/article/nhs-technology-is-15-years-behind-private-sector-35vjkfhvq

DuncinToffee · 12/09/2024 08:42

No wonder they are latching on to the WFA, the fuckers and their 14 years legacy Angry

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Alexandra2001 · 12/09/2024 08:48

DuncinToffee · 12/09/2024 08:42

No wonder they are latching on to the WFA, the fuckers and their 14 years legacy Angry

Yep, they wrecked everything.

Atkins on Sky saying its all Demographics, Covid, staff leaving and Labour are "looking backwards"

FFS, so nothing you (tories) did in the 10 years prior to Covid?

To me WFA has been a massive own goal by Labour.

DuncinToffee · 12/09/2024 08:57

I see that movie title poster has been deployed Hmm

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PandoraSox · 12/09/2024 09:30

To me WFA has been a massive own goal by Labour

I agree, sadly. Of all the high profile changes to kick off with, this was a wrong choice. It needed a lot more thought.

Eta:I also don't like how Starmer is being cagey about the Impact Assessment. If there is one, which there must be, share it.

Which movie poster @DuncinToffee ?

SerendipityJane · 12/09/2024 09:51

Just from a personal view, I have a wheelchair-bound friend who - due to bad assessments and no provision of aids at home had a fall. This lead to a grade 4 ulcer which needed a month in hospital where she nearly died because they managed to block the catheter they inserted and then not realise why she was going into shock. If folk think I am a bigmouth here, they haven't seen me when I am cross. That took nearly a week to clear. But as the chipper senior doctor pointed out "we caught it in time - at least she didn't die".

After that excitement she was assaulted by another patient in the same ward complex when his 24/7 nurse/minder had to pop to the loo. Apparently that time I was very much in the wrong to have photographed the bruises and called the police (who are permanent duty, there).

Obviously that delayed discharge, allowed her to get Covid. At this stage of the game I would have suggested she sue if she hadn't.

Move on to over 2 years later and the wound hasn't healed. The surgeons prescription is alternate day visits by the district nurses. But they don't do weekends. Apparently there is a shortage. However over the past 2 years my friend has counted over 40 different nurses - none of whom is from a different trust - plus (thank goodness) quite a few students. The amount of creams, sprays bandages, vacuum pumps, dressings and sundries has been incomprehensible.

That's one singular experience. If you multiply that up and down the country - needless injuries and diseases because of a lack of fundamental care from the start then you'll understand why I am actually grateful to be old and closer to the grave. Not that I have any faith the NHS could find it even with a miners lamp and pickaxe.

SerendipityJane · 12/09/2024 11:19

Incidentally, anyone seen the hilarious mistake Tommy ten names Robinson made when he tried to pretend to be someone else, only forgetting to log out of his account. I can safely say without fear of a lawsuit that Stephen Yaxley-Lennon is indeed a thick twat.

Thread 7 Starmer : Cats and Conferences
CassieMaddox · 12/09/2024 11:47

He is a twat. Coming back soon apparently, I hope they arrest him immediately

Efacsen · 12/09/2024 11:51

CassieMaddox · 12/09/2024 11:47

He is a twat. Coming back soon apparently, I hope they arrest him immediately

Yup. Ideally as he disembarks the plane

DuncinToffee · 12/09/2024 12:06

@PandoraSox op starts with everything, film has sausage fingers in.

SYL has a court appearance pending.

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DuncinToffee · 12/09/2024 12:11

Sky News

MPs could face a crackdown on hosting TV shows under new rules to restore trust in parliament.

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HannibalHeyes · 12/09/2024 12:15

Oh no! You mean we won't get wall to wall Frog Face any more?

Spandauer · 12/09/2024 12:31

HannibalHeyes · 12/09/2024 12:15

Oh no! You mean we won't get wall to wall Frog Face any more?

Hmm, do I sense a by-election brewing?
Oh Clacton, how little he knew ye!

PandoraSox · 12/09/2024 12:39

DuncinToffee · 12/09/2024 12:06

@PandoraSox op starts with everything, film has sausage fingers in.

SYL has a court appearance pending.

Still none the wiser, though I know who you mean by sausage fingers. Am I being dense?

DuncinToffee · 12/09/2024 12:45

PandoraSox · 12/09/2024 12:39

Still none the wiser, though I know who you mean by sausage fingers. Am I being dense?

Don't worry, it's just a poster who starts many Telegraph style threads, I just noticed a pattern emerging Smile

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PandoraSox · 12/09/2024 12:54

Oh think I might know who you mean, though not sure about the sausage fingers part!