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What do you make of this email response

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Yikitty · 02/09/2024 18:20

Email sent by newish member of staff to senior staff member - 4 others cc’d in

Reasonable run of the mill email - enquiring about confirming a date. Email first line is “I hope you are well”

response:

”You don’t need to ask me if I am well every-time you email me unless you know something I don’t. Yes”

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pintofsnakebite · 02/09/2024 21:26

@MaidOfAle tell me you don't suffer from anxiety without telling me you suffer from anxiety.

I need the 'noise words' so I don't lie awake at night thinking that someone hates me and I can never speak to them again.

So maybe everyone just needs to not be so vicious to people who are just trying their best.

MaidOfAle · 02/09/2024 21:27

pintofsnakebite · 02/09/2024 21:15

@MaidOfAle but I genuinely do hope people are well.

Who are all these people who don't mean it.

It's a statement not a question. I don't need people to respond.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5156451-what-do-you-make-of-this-email-response?reply=137999562 from this thread is an example of someone who admits to not actually meaning it.

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Email sent by newish member of staff to senior staff member - 4 others cc’d in Reasonable run of the mill email - enquiring about confirming a date....

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5156451-what-do-you-make-of-this-email-response?reply=137999562

Another2Cats · 02/09/2024 21:31

Woodenwonder · 02/09/2024 21:10

I'd be over egging it so much, the red flags are flying if people think that level or rudeness if acceptable when you're new, what are they going to be like as times goes on... so now it would just be fun time while I look for another role - I wouldn't be patronised like that by anybody. Gently guide me if you want, hell give me a black mark in my end of year review if you're @Another2Cats 🤣 but yes it'd be...

Dear

I do hope you're well and you had a lovely weekend? What did you get up to? On another note, not long until Christmas!

Please find attached figures for August.

Have a great day, hopefully bump into your in the kitchen for a coffee!

"...hell give me a black mark in my end of year review if you're @Another2Cats 🤣"

Yes, and when that feeds into you getting a "meets expectations" rather than "exceeds expectations" or even "fails to meet expectations" and that has a real, meaningful, impact on how much of a pay rise you get it suddenly becomes very real indeed.

1983Louise · 02/09/2024 21:31

I thought it was funny, very dry sense of humour

MaidOfAle · 02/09/2024 21:32

pintofsnakebite · 02/09/2024 21:26

@MaidOfAle tell me you don't suffer from anxiety without telling me you suffer from anxiety.

I need the 'noise words' so I don't lie awake at night thinking that someone hates me and I can never speak to them again.

So maybe everyone just needs to not be so vicious to people who are just trying their best.

Anxiety is fitted as standard with autism.

Given that someone on this thread has admitted that their use of "I hope you are well" is insincere, you cannot rely on its presence as evidence that they care about you.

People lie all the time, it's one of humanity's worst features. You cannot trust anything anyone says, let alone "I hope you are well". Trust no one, it's the only way.

MaidOfAle · 02/09/2024 21:34

Iybwsp · 02/09/2024 20:55

You are massively overthinking this.

You can dislike it, but to suggest that the recipient is treating you with contempt by offering a routine pleasantry (which in most cases doesn't even require a response) is beyond silly. It would be equally possible for me to make the argument that by going straight in with your business ask you are treating the recipient like a machine and that this is rude. But I won't - because I accept we all have different working and communication styles.

by going straight in with your business ask you are treating the recipient like a machine and that this is rude.

By getting to the point immediately, I am treating my colleague like a human whose one life is too short to waste reading fluff.

Sundayleap · 02/09/2024 21:35

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LadyGabriella · 02/09/2024 21:36

Moody much. Unnecessary on her part.

MaidOfAle · 02/09/2024 21:36

Blinky21 · 02/09/2024 21:15

It's just the email version of asking someone how they are when you meet them. It's a five word social norm that your eye skips past, if it stops you getting quickly to the point of an email you've got worse problems!

Yes, the problem is called "autism". I am very good at the technical aspects of my job dealing with hardware and software but struggle with the fleshware units.

Fleshware is a geek joke BTW.

Elizo · 02/09/2024 21:38

What a shitty reply. That would put me right off working there

GrowAndGreen · 02/09/2024 21:41

MaidOfAle · 02/09/2024 21:34

by going straight in with your business ask you are treating the recipient like a machine and that this is rude.

By getting to the point immediately, I am treating my colleague like a human whose one life is too short to waste reading fluff.

This, so much this. I hate all the fluff. I know what is required when people ask directly for stuff.

I'm working with Marketing at the moment to put a campain for a project together. It's been so hard to understand what actually is requested and what they will do because the ask is so ambiguas and dressed up in plesantries. Tell me what you want, please don't waffle.

ND Dyslexic, Dyspraxic, possibly more.

Another2Cats · 02/09/2024 21:43

Tricho · 02/09/2024 20:52

This is what you take into account on EOY reviews?

Not performance?
Not whats been delivered?
Not success against objectives?

Wow.

Remember that episode of will and grace with Madonna. When she was at pains to let people know she managed two people and said something like

"When they're late, I just look at my watch, then I look at them, and they just GET IT"

That's who you remind me of.

Performance, deliverables and objectives are all key measures. But if somebody is, perhaps, borderline on these things then subjective matters can very much come into play.

An employee who is borderline between, depending on what terminology your company uses, say "exceeds expectations" and "meets expectations" but who I find personally to be very annoying and difficult to get on with I would likely grade as "meets expectations" rather than exceeds.

If they clearly exceeded the measures then it would not be an issue at all. It only comes to a head in the borderline situations.

Also @Woodenwonder and @Ilovelurchers

Iybwsp · 02/09/2024 21:46

Another2Cats · 02/09/2024 21:43

Performance, deliverables and objectives are all key measures. But if somebody is, perhaps, borderline on these things then subjective matters can very much come into play.

An employee who is borderline between, depending on what terminology your company uses, say "exceeds expectations" and "meets expectations" but who I find personally to be very annoying and difficult to get on with I would likely grade as "meets expectations" rather than exceeds.

If they clearly exceeded the measures then it would not be an issue at all. It only comes to a head in the borderline situations.

Also @Woodenwonder and @Ilovelurchers

Edited

You definitely shouldn't be a manager if you think this is a relevant subjective factor.

Woodenwonder · 02/09/2024 21:46

Another2Cats · 02/09/2024 21:31

"...hell give me a black mark in my end of year review if you're @Another2Cats 🤣"

Yes, and when that feeds into you getting a "meets expectations" rather than "exceeds expectations" or even "fails to meet expectations" and that has a real, meaningful, impact on how much of a pay rise you get it suddenly becomes very real indeed.

hahhaaaaa you are a one @Another2Cats 🤣

Gremlins101 · 02/09/2024 21:46

Spinet · 02/09/2024 18:31

That's very rude. I would reply with something like 'duly noted.' to show that you have understood but think politely they are a rude bastard.

This is a good response 👏

Findmethesmallestviolin · 02/09/2024 21:49

One of my key suppliers emails me monthly with “ I hope your well”, I reply frequently with thanks - hope you’re well too ( the email is just notifying me a report is complete) but the penny never drops. 🥹

OneSugar1 · 02/09/2024 21:49

Gremlins101 · 02/09/2024 21:46

This is a good response 👏

No. The correct response is:
Duly noted, cunt.

MaidOfAle · 02/09/2024 21:50

Kneidlach · 02/09/2024 21:18

I would argue that any insincere statement is anything but polite. Wasting another person's time and mind-resources on noisewords shows them contempt.

If scanning the words ‘I hope you are well’ in an email is using up more than a negligible amount of your mind-resources (whatever the hell they are) then an office-based job that involves sending and receiving emails is probably not for you.

At 7pm during a major incident, I am as you humans say "running on fumes" and have nothing left. Yet the remote access server for the lab instruments remains mine to fix, despite your misassessment of me as incompetent at my job. I am good with machines.

As I said earlier in thread, I have skipped important information because I am so used to people's first paragraph being fluff that I have skipped to the second paragraph where I expect the real information to start. Just as you automatically skip past the paid adverts in the Google results page to get to the real results.

mind-resources

When I cannot remember a word, I make one up from words that I can remember. This is part of how my autism manifests. I suspect that it's deemed rude to make fun of a disabled person's coping tactics. Certainly, I think it's mean-spirited.

Today was difficult and I am getting double-vision now, so signing off for tonight.

BrightYellowDaffodil · 02/09/2024 21:51

It is rude but I’m also quietly acknowledging that it’s a reply I wish I could give. I don’t like twee, meaningless pleasantries - it doesn’t make me like you or more likely to do whatever it is you’ve asked, it makes me think you’re a simpering idiot.

Woodenwonder · 02/09/2024 21:52

BrightYellowDaffodil · 02/09/2024 21:51

It is rude but I’m also quietly acknowledging that it’s a reply I wish I could give. I don’t like twee, meaningless pleasantries - it doesn’t make me like you or more likely to do whatever it is you’ve asked, it makes me think you’re a simpering idiot.

What a ray of sunshine. you sound like the sort of person that if you did like me, I'd worry what company I was keeping.

berthaofcalcutta · 02/09/2024 21:52

'I hope you are well' is nowhere near as annoying as the highfalutin supervillain tone some people take to show how above boring normies they are.

stickystick · 02/09/2024 21:53

That is very tame compared to some of the emails I got early in my career.
One would rather not get an email like that but you won’t be doing the new joiner any favours by the encouraging them to make a big deal out of it.

CallMeFlo · 02/09/2024 21:54

When I get emails starting with I hope you're well I'm sorely tempted to reply with exactly what kind of day I'm having with my assorted health issues.

Personally I find it patronising and un necessary. Let's fact it The sender doesn't care how I am

Byllis · 02/09/2024 21:59

I generally add a ‘hope you’re well?’ unless it’s someone I’ve already communicated with in the last day or two. I appreciate niceties and don’t agree that they’re necessarily meaningless. Personally, I really don’t like emails simply asking me to do something - I’m a human being, not a machine to be fed instructions - so treat others the same way.

BrightYellowDaffodil · 02/09/2024 22:00

Woodenwonder · 02/09/2024 21:52

What a ray of sunshine. you sound like the sort of person that if you did like me, I'd worry what company I was keeping.

You're very welcome.

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