Really worried about the possibility of “pay per mile”

[Yorkiepud2614]

I’ve been seeing more and more about this new proposal “pay per mile” that would replace car duty (I think). Which the average household bill somewhere around £450 - £600. Lots of reports that it may come in this October.
Living in the Highlands this would completely cripple us. Do people really think the new government will bring this change in?

ANY public transport there would help! But with fewer than 500 residents apparently it isn’t considered viable for a subsidy by the council and at a proposed £17 per journey it’s too expensive for anyone to use!

The parish council were told that if the population went over 1000 then there is a case for it to be looked at again. But if they build new houses to more than double the size of the village, the only people who will move in will be those who have cars. No one who doesn’t drive is going to buy a house on the off chance that they may be able to leave the village by bus in a year or two’s time, are they?? And if pay-per-mile ever does come in then that village becomes very unattractive to move to for those who do drive.

This. I don’t mind paying per mile, INSTEAD of fuel duty but I don’t want to be paying it twice!

October is two months away... highly unlikely don't you think? Maybe stop paying attention to brain rotting websites 🤷🏻‍♀️

Hysterical seeing the Conservatives criticise Labour for this.

news.sky.com/story/road-pricing-sunak-eyes-16340bn-tax-threat-from-electric-vehicle-drive-12133772

Everyone knew all along that being the prime minister of a skint country was going to be impossible whether Labour or conservative.

The country is skint because of lockdowns and Brexit so 🤷🏻‍♀️

Hysterical it really isn’t in any way however.

And the truly insane thing is there are utter nutters on mumsnet calling for lockdowns for mpox🤦🏻‍♀️

In the end poverty caused by lockdowns will kill more than Covid did. But so many still can’t see it.

Not sure why you find that so funny. If you have an electric car you won't pay for petrol or diesel will you?

But it struck me that we already pay tax on energy, so actually there's not necessarily any need for road pricing or a tax based on annual mileage. It might just be a case of increasing the tax on electricity. And before people say that isn't fair on those without cars, fuel tax isn't spent on the roads, it goes into the general pot. And everyone benefits from roads. And it would be a lot cheaper than putting in lots of new infrastructure.

Amazed you think it should be that way round rather than train fares coming down.

The Labour Party has only just got in to governing, so surly the Conservatives must have been planning this for years.Those gantries can’t just appear ready made now, they had to be designed, ordered and made before putting them in place.

I live 5 miles from my eldest DC school and it's 7 miles in the opposite direction to my youngest DC school, then a further 5 miles from there to work. I'm also 4 miles from the nearest shop. It may sound like a good idea to you, as I'd assume you live in a large town or city where public transport is easy to access or you live within walking distance of everything you need, but it will royally screw over anyone living rurally and would mean that lots of us would have to give up working as it simply won't pay us to work

I work in a different location every day and have to be there early. I would not be able to manage it on time with public transport and sometimes it's rural so there isn't any. If this really does come in I probably will have to look for another job, since I live in a city but usually have to drive out of it. There is no way I would be happy paying this, when I bought my car in the first place because it had low tax!

Firstly the roads are most definitely NOT kept in good repair. Secondly I already pay per mile in fuel duty, road tax, insurance premium tax, VAT when I bought my vehicle, VAT on my MOT, car service, garage bills and I pay my local council £55 a year for the privilege of parking on the street outside my home

Agreed - that's why EV drivers should pay the same kind of VED as ICE car drivers. EVs are much heavier that petrol/diesel equivalents so tear up the roads even more

It’s your blind certainty that is funny. You know no more than anyone else.

This is the problem in our country.

The mindless constant ‘Labour v Tories’ bollocks. Labour being good and Tories evil

Both parties were/are just desperately trying to find a way out of the shite they are in. No more or less.

Of course the Tories thought about this as they needed also to raise ££££ just like Labour. I don’t envy Starmer etc at all the job is frankly impossible.

But it struck me that we already pay tax on energy, so actually there's not necessarily any need for road pricing or a tax based on annual mileage. It might just be a case of increasing the tax on electricity. And before people say that isn't fair on those without cars, fuel tax isn't spent on the roads, it goes into the general pot.

It could be done through smart car chargers so that electricity used to charge a car at home has fuel duty plus 20% VAT added rather than just 5% VAT.

I don’t understand why electric cars don’t pay tax. They still use the road and do the same amount of damage.

If they just do this per mile thing, I’m pretty sure there’d be riots as people suddenly couldn’t afford to go to work.

They could easily fix this by double taxing vapes like cigarettes and making people pay for restorative surgery if they had surgery abroad and they got messed up. You chose to go private now see it through, why should everyone pay for the vanity of the few.

Also the train prices have not risen due to actual costs going up but privatisation and the board members wanting more and more money. Nothing is put into infrastructure and the service keeps being reduced and the actual running costs surely must have gone down therefore.

I have seen lots on this on the internet from a former EDL organiser, so it must be reliable. I heard that climate change is a hoax introduced by the WEF and China to control people and hearld international communism. They want to charge people to leave their houses and make car driving so expensive that only the rich can own cars. This is why they are developing robotaxis. They want to make it acceptable to pay for limited freedoms so people do not question it. They will have cameras in your TV with an army of spies looking on your every move. This will be mind control and you will be re-educated if you deviate from accepted modes of thinking.

be afraid.

you could also stop believing everything you see on the internet.

Not heard of this. I live in a rural area, the nearest train station being 12 miles away. Strangely, I was looking up a possible, relatively short, train journey last night, after not having been on a train since passing my driving test in my teens. I was absolutely horrified by the price, and the fact it would take twice as long as it would in the car due to there being no direct trains.
We do have buses running to midnight, which seems to be a fairly new thing in my area, but it would still be a massive pain in the arse for me.

Probably sites associated with a foreign country unfriendly to us such as Putin's Russia. Congratulations on helping spread fake news. (Not!)

All of the above.

And how do you propose train fares coming down?

https://bettertransport.org.uk/campaigns/fare-future/