If we suddenly had to go into a 3 month lockdown again, how would you feel?

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I think people would definitely comply. If it was Mpox I would want a smallpox vaccine as it's somewhat effective.

I'm not in contact with babies and young children, so no.

Hence the poem... There were a lot of people in nazi Germany who felt nothing for all the nonsense going on because it didn't affect them, and they'd been told it was for the greater good so they were sure it was fine.

But you can’t say that because lockdowns prevented the worst scenarios. It’s not about comparing impacts of lockdown vs no Covid deaths, it’s about comparing impacts of lockdown to what would have happened without them.

this is a basic thing that so many people don’t get

They absolutely wouldn't

I don't think people realise how much lockdown cost, close to half a trillion (ie 500 billion). The country can't afford to do that again, alot of the cost of living and govt debt is linked to that and quantative easing. Imagine how the country could have improved if that money had been spent on health, transport, housing etc. The whole thing was lunacy for something that mostly killed people over the average mortality rate. I think more people have been killed by the effects of lockdown.

No one is doubting that lockdown had a devastating effect on mental health for a lot of people. However, the reason you don't know as many people who died from covid is because of lockdown.
Personally, I know two previously healthy people who died from covid. So yes, I would comply with another lockdown because that number could have been much higher.
We are likely to have another pandemic in my life time. That's simply because the human population is rising so fast and viruses adapt and increase in crowded populations. Basic biology, really.
Yes, covid wasn't as bad as it could have been, but we didn't know what was going to happen. If the next pandemic is more dangerous, I suspect the death toll is going to a lot worse simply because people will ignore the warnings.

Which suggests that increased hygiene and hand washing controls would potentially make more sense than a lockdown.

Lockdown is only possible for diseases that are in the sweet spot of “just lethal enough to inspire societal action, but not lethal enough to cause societal systems to break down.” If COVID had been a little less lethal, nobody would have bothered doing much. If it had more somewhat more lethal, systems like gas, electricity, water supply, delivery logistics would have broken down due to people refusing to work in those sectors. So I would be surprised if we saw another lockdown in our lifetimes.

@iwasafool not when their mental health is already poor and they're struggling with panic attacks made worse by no social al contact.. sure she got out of bed and did the work but more too it than that isn't there?

As for DS he was 7 with as then undiagnosed dyspraxia ..he wouldn't even sit still for more than 2 to 3 minutes.. he was bright, frustrated, bored and lonely despite our best efforts

best not to judge until you've walked in others shoes.

I'm glad your GS was easy to deal with though

I had to go to work all through the last lockdowns and would have to do so again, DH and DS loved the lockdowns apart from missing DD who lives at the other end of the country.
I think we would comply just like we did before but we tend to be very low abiding, rule following people.

Obviously from this thread a little depends on your job. I doubt some key worker professions would be willing to do it again. Children and young people were let down so badly and a lot of workers were taken advantage of. Others had a nice time. Very devisive.

No, I wouldn't comply. I'm normally very compliant, but the whole Covid thing made me see things differently. Never again.

You didn’t read my post did you? It was more about the elderly than children.

it’s easy to say you won’t protect the random old person or child in the next town. It’s another when it comes down to protecting your own and hoping people would do that for yours.

My experience is that no-one now cares about my immune suppressed person in general, so no, I will do what is best for me and mine. Like everyone else does.

I wouldn’t comply, and neither would anyone else I know.

This is an entirely different class of MPox which hasn't yet come to the UK! I'm disgusted at your lack of knowledge & understanding as a health professional, my god.

I actually meant to reply to the person you were quoting there, so apologies. However, my point still applies to what you've just said now.

In a disease like covid, whatever group are most vulnerable, be it the elderly, children, people with X condition etc, there will be some people in the population who aren't in that category and don't have loved ones who are. Who don't feel that level of personal threat. Which is why the government messaging deliberately tried to target people who didn't feel personally threatened during covid, incidentally. Because they understood that such groups pose an issue.

Some people who have no children they're close to have already told us in this thread that they wouldn't lock down to protect those of others, and it would be the same with the elderly or any other group we want to hypothesise. So this idea you have that you know better than them about what they'd do simply won't wash, especially as we know there was lots of non-compliance last time.

I would think that both the Government and the general public were insane. We have definitive proof that lockdowns not only do not work, but are also dangerous. I assume that sensible people just would not comply. I think we can confidently say that it will never happen again.

Incorrect. This class of MPox can be transmitted via respiratory droplets like Covid

Excellent and sensible response.

One thing the government should absolutely prioritise if it ever happens again is keeping the schools and other services for young people open. It has had a detrimental effect on them and that can't be repeated! Also not trapping young people in student halls and letting them home to their families. Also letting close families members meet in general.

I don't see a lockdown happening but I hope if it does lessons have been learnt.

It looks as though Mpox does not spread all that easily among people, though, and only a few people seem to be capable of spreading it while asymptomatic. Most spreading happens once people are symptomatic, and this is a disease with obvious and distinctive symptoms.

Diseases like this tend to be controlled quite easily in practice in modern developed societies with proper protocols for stopping the spread of infectious disease. Even smallpox outbreaks can be quite quickly snuffed out in modern societies though “ring vaccination” and temporary roadblocks for a while; see, for example, how the 1970s outbreak of smallpox in Yugoslavia was dealt with.

My kids are still working through the long term effects of lockdown in their mental health. We wouldn't comply.

Mpox is still mostly a sexually transmitted disease. I’m divorced and have no partner. Feeling a bit smug!!

A lot of comments about not locking down come from hindsight, at the beginning we didn’t know what covid was, or how it spread. Now we know, it seems mental to close playgrounds etc.
when the reality hits of people dying of this mystery illness and your friend/parents/coworker is vulnerable, the nhs unable to cope with car accidents or football injuries because of this mystery illness, that we don’t know how it transmits. I think, the reality is most people will stay at home to protect themselves and the people they know with vulnerabilities.

Once people start to stay home who are part of community services it means by nature more have to. So, fewer bus drivers, means fewer people can get to work. Fewer nursery workers, more parents have to stay home which impacts all businesses. People won’t want carers going from home to home so suddenly care responsibilities fall back on relatives. And those same relatives will be concerned about picking something up in supermarkets or their children bringing it home from school.

so even those who don’t want to comply, when push comes to shove many will end up complying.

id comply, in the same way I comply with speed limits because I couldn’t bare to have a death as a result of my actions. I didn’t have contact with anyone particularly vulnerable, but I was worried I could make someone else ill.

Definitive proof? Really?