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Warning for anyone connecting out of Dublin to fly to USA, don't be me!

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MorrisZapp · 13/08/2024 13:45

I'm a broken human and it's all Aer Lingus's fault. Business trip yesterday Edinburgh to JFK, connecting through Dublin.

Due to weather, my Edinburgh flight was delayed and we landed late in Dublin. Still in time for connection but all travellers to the USA have to go through US Homeland Security in Dublin, and there is no fast track option for late incoming connections.

It took well over an hour to clear US customs, the queues were horrendous and there are four levels of security to clear.

I think ten different people beeped my boarding pass but this means nothing as US security exists to protect the USA, not to help people catch flights.

After a horrific race to the furthest gate in the terminal, I arrived to a closed gate and the staff clearing up. They were kind and sympathetic but I was absolutely not getting on the plane. My bags had been taken off. Other people were in the same situation.

We could not approach Aer Lingus ticketing until to got landside, and we couldn't get landside until we had our bags back, which took an hour. Once we arrived at the ticketing desk there was a queue of desperate and upset travellers ahead of us, all trying to get to the USA. There were further flights out but we couldn't get them because going through homeland security again would have taken too long, and many flights were full anyway.

All they could offer was overnight accommodation with onward travel the next day. This didn't work for me as I'd missed my meeting anyway so I had to get a flight home instead. Edinburgh was full so I took a teatime flight to Glasgow. I got home at 10pm having been in transit from 6am.

I can't explain what it feels like to miss a transatlantic flight, I'm still processing it now. Seeing that closed gate was like the most stressful scene in a film, but it was real and actually happening to me.

Catching connections works until it doesn't. How the fuck Aer Lingus thought I could negotiate their huge, multi level airport and the whole of US security in the time allowed even had my incoming flight been on time was baffling to me. Why they haven't set up support airside for all the people held up like this is a mystery for the ages. Entire families were crying, the staff were helpful but there weren't nearly enough of them and they can't offer solutions that don't exist.

People who don't live near hub airports have no choice but to use connections. I've learned my lesson. I've informed my company that my next journey to the USA will require me to catch a train to London the day before (early, in case of train shenanigans) a night in a Heathrow hotel and a flight out of Heathrow next day.

Don't be me. Don't trust airline's own itineraries for connecting flights, and never fly Dublin to USA unless you are able to arrive at Dublin many hours in advance.

And an extra fuck you to the last US security guy I dealt with. Your utter nastiness made one of the most stressful experiences of my half century on this earth even worse and for what, sir? If you want your country to be safe then ban gun ownership and be civil to middle aged ladies who obey every rule and command asked of them.

Last moan, a pint in Dublin Airport costs seven pounds thirty. Most needed pint of my life. Just.... don't be me.

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RobinHood19 · 13/08/2024 15:08

Do you travel a lot, OP? I do (we’re talking almost weekly) and this happens all the time. Flight delays and missed connections are just part of life when your job involves going from one country to the other all the time. I live near a hub and still have to take connections often. It’s part and parcel of flying.

It’s not Aer Lingus who sets MCTs. If the airport’s official MCT is less than 90 minutes, they are legally allowed to sell you that connection. If the majority of passengers missed them all the time, they’d change their policy because it’s an extra cost to them to rebook you anyway, so they haven’t done anything wrong here in principle.

I do feel for you, and I get how frustrating it is needing to get somewhere and being delayed / unable to. However, the world doesn’t end, this was not some emergency situation and you made it back safely.

Whenever I travel I leave my house with the idea / acceptance that 1 or 2 things will go wrong. I remain calm because if they do, it will all work out anyway. 95% of the time, nothing actually goes wrong. But I prefer being prepared mentally for things to go wrong, than to stress myself out when they do because the only option in my head was for the plan never to be altered in any way.

Trox · 13/08/2024 15:09

Yes, Morris, you should have Maria von Trapp-ed up to that closing gate, trilling, 'These are a few of the Worse Things that Could Have Happened to Meeeeee!' while spinning round and round with your hand luggage.

I sympathise. DH and I once arrived at Barcelona Airport for a last Sunday flight home during one of the Spanish Govt/Catalonia stand-offs, when there was only one customs official on duty to check the passports of the thousands of passengers heading to the gates after a whole weekend of events - F1, a football match, peak holiday season. DH (also Scottish) tried to persuade everyone to queue nicely. He failed.

yesmen · 13/08/2024 15:09

BrookGreen54 · 13/08/2024 13:49

‘Never fly Dublin to USA’ 🤣

Dublin US pre-clearance is fantastic if you use it correctly and arrive to the airport on time. We have always breezed through it. Saves so much hassle once you land.

Your connecting flight was delayed OP. It happens. Stop with the entitled moaning.

Edited

What a wanky reply. Utterly dickish.

OP - It happened to me last year on an Aer Lingus connect to NYC flight. We had to stay o er to connect out the next day. The knock on effect was awful.

I know exactly how you feel.

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notanotheronenow · 13/08/2024 15:09

Aer Lingus is shit.

US security guards are shit.

Last time I went to Dublin airport a basic ham sandwich was the best part of a tenner and the people behind me (Irish) were talking about how someone had got a gun through security and it hadn't been found until everyone was on the plane.

I thought the UK was shit, but Irish people describing Ireland as worse - to each other- was really eye opening.

RobinHood19 · 13/08/2024 15:11

MorrisZapp · 13/08/2024 14:58

I don't know their protocols but it wasn't just the weather. We couldn't get off the flight in Dublin because the steps wouldn't attach, that added ten minutes. Then we had to get a bus to the terminal, that took a weirdly long time. I don't imagine they factor in all these minor delays that add up to missing a flight.

It’s highly likely the delay in disembarking, and parking in a remote stand which triggered the bus transfer to the terminal, was due to the actual weather delay that caused them to miss their landing slot.

Airlines are businesses - they’re not going to factor in all possible delays and operate at 75% capacity just in case the perfect storm occurs (as it sadly did for you yesterday) - weather + faulty equipment + remote stand + slow / understaffed security controls cannot all be accounted for when planning connections. Otherwise you’d end up with MCTs of 5 hours.

MorrisZapp · 13/08/2024 15:19

notimagain · 13/08/2024 15:07

Ah ok…I know MCTs can be tight, and then every now and the unknown unknowns stack up and……..

BTW with regard to narrow bodies on the Atlantic (e.g. JetBlue and their 321 neos ) don’t forget back in the day (pre -747 , so roughly 1970 onwards) it was all narrow bodied stuff across the pond, 707s, VC-10s etc..etc,

Also anything on the Atlantic nowadays, from the “little” A318s that BA used to run between London and JFK, up to the big twins like the 777 and the A350 are all complying with all sorts of modern construction and maintenance requirements that allow them to fly routes relatively distant from alternate airfields.

I wouldn’t assume a small twin is less safe overwater than a big twin just because of the size difference.

That's really interesting, thank you. I just worry that small planes bump around more than their big cousins do, and I bloody hate turbulence. Wouldn't put me off going, but it's a consideration in choosing routes, though price made the decision for me.

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MorrisZapp · 13/08/2024 15:21

YouLookLikeStevieNicks · 13/08/2024 15:07

I booked this exact route with Aer Lingus last time I went to New York, but I didn't trust the connection times so in the end I just booked the Aer Lingus flight from Dublin and a separate flight to Dublin the night before. Stayed at an airport hotel in Dublin, got up and had breakfast there (included in the room rate) and strolled over to the airport. Went through pre-clearance at Dublin and as I only had hand luggage I was out of JFK 7 minutes after landing. It was the least stressful journey I've ever had!

Doesn't help you now OP but if you have to do this trip again I'd do that over going to Heathrow the night before. Pre-clearance at Dublin saves so much time, it took me 4 hours to get through US customs at JFK once.

Worth a thought, thank you. Must admit I haven't loved Heathrow in the past and pre clearance is a godsend for those who have factored it in.

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MorrisZapp · 13/08/2024 15:22

notanotheronenow · 13/08/2024 15:09

Aer Lingus is shit.

US security guards are shit.

Last time I went to Dublin airport a basic ham sandwich was the best part of a tenner and the people behind me (Irish) were talking about how someone had got a gun through security and it hadn't been found until everyone was on the plane.

I thought the UK was shit, but Irish people describing Ireland as worse - to each other- was really eye opening.

Can we get drunk together 😂

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EatCrow · 13/08/2024 15:23

BrookGreen54 · 13/08/2024 13:49

‘Never fly Dublin to USA’ 🤣

Dublin US pre-clearance is fantastic if you use it correctly and arrive to the airport on time. We have always breezed through it. Saves so much hassle once you land.

Your connecting flight was delayed OP. It happens. Stop with the entitled moaning.

Edited

She’s absolutely entitled to have a bloody good moan! And where better to do it than on mumsnet (*cough).

OchonAgusOchonOh · 13/08/2024 15:24

notanotheronenow · 13/08/2024 15:09

Aer Lingus is shit.

US security guards are shit.

Last time I went to Dublin airport a basic ham sandwich was the best part of a tenner and the people behind me (Irish) were talking about how someone had got a gun through security and it hadn't been found until everyone was on the plane.

I thought the UK was shit, but Irish people describing Ireland as worse - to each other- was really eye opening.

Please, no generalisations.

Dublin airport is shit.

Shannon is wonderful, as is Knock (although they don't do transatlantic). No idea what Cork is like as I've never used it.

veritasverity · 13/08/2024 15:24

MorrisZapp · 13/08/2024 14:25

Aer Lingus allocated 1.5 hours connection time. It would have been extremely tight even without the incoming delay. They aren't strangers to the US security protocol and they shouldn't have offered that flight combo.

Oof that's a very tight time line.
Don't know why people leapt on you about it being your most stressful day, I guess they took it in a literal rather than figurative sense.
I think flying is stressful and missing a flight, through no fault of your own, is a bloody nightmare (although I can think of worse airports to be stranded at!). I remember being 'stranded' in a Turkish airport because bloody TUI had underestimated the time it took to go through security with a billion other holiday makers (their coach was late from hotel to airport). Three of us missed the flight home, and TUI, were spectacularly unhelpful! So yes I completely get it op.
And yes complete ballache at rescheduling and trying to get refunds etc.

SingingSands · 13/08/2024 15:26

People telling the OP to "get some perspective", "redirect your beef" or "re-evaluate" - don't you recognise a fellow human having a bad day and wanting to offload about it? I'm sure we've all had those days. None of it was within her control!

@MorrisZapp what a day. What. A. Day.

MorrisZapp · 13/08/2024 15:27

Oh god overnight in Turkey sounds awful! And all these bastard airports design their seating to be deliberately unsleepable. Hello, minging floor.

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Imalittlewitch · 13/08/2024 15:28

notanotheronenow · 13/08/2024 15:09

Aer Lingus is shit.

US security guards are shit.

Last time I went to Dublin airport a basic ham sandwich was the best part of a tenner and the people behind me (Irish) were talking about how someone had got a gun through security and it hadn't been found until everyone was on the plane.

I thought the UK was shit, but Irish people describing Ireland as worse - to each other- was really eye opening.

That's one anecdote that does not describe Ireland at all.

RobinHood19 · 13/08/2024 15:29

Oof that's a very tight time line.
Don't know why people leapt on you about it being your most stressful day, I guess they took it in a literal rather than figurative sense.
I think flying is stressful and missing a flight, through no fault of your own, is a bloody nightmare

In all honesty, I think this proves how we’re all such different people, doesn’t it.

OP is justified to feel upset. Others don’t understand why she found it stressful.

1.5 hours for me is a long delay. I have some 40 and 50 mins connections coming up, and I’m not remotely worried about them. They’re trips I’m taking checked luggage for too, and worst case scenario my bag might be one or two days late - I’ll have a change of clothes in hand luggage like I always do.

I get more stressed designing a meal plan for the week than I do flying in and out all the time - we’re all different and I guess this thread proves it Grin

OVienna · 13/08/2024 15:34

I'll never fly Aer Lingus again. We had a bag lost by them for four months two years ago.

In Dublin airport where we were transiting the woman actually laughed at me and said: "Ooooh a million pounds was in there, wasn't it?!"

They actually made shit up as well.

It is amazing it did return eventually but - never, ever again.

sugarbyebye · 13/08/2024 15:34

I think you're lucky this is the first time this has happened to you. Regular traveller here and nothing is ever taken for granted. I will also never fly American Airlines again after multiple terrible experiences with them, and I always take carry on when travelling to the US as my bags seem to vanish into a black hole every time they traverse US air space. Never had any issues going East, so far.

Wexone · 13/08/2024 15:35

Dublin has become a nightmare for US clearance lately - this is because they have increased the amount of lanes landing from USA on all carriers where before it was just Aer Lingus and haven't increased the staff nor capacity. Flew last year to San Fran and the que was nearly 4 hours along. The Aer hostess were walking up and down calling each flight asking people are the on so and so flight and letting people out of the q to run up and catch their flight. We were flying at 1pm - we got to Dublin airport at 7am, got through 1st security by 9am - got a takeaway breakfast and was at US clearance at 9:30am. we sat in ours seats at 10 to 1. It was unreal stress

WickieRoy · 13/08/2024 15:37

I think everyone has an airline they'll never fly with again I think - BA for me, after truly awful customer service when DH had an issue with a ticket that had already been resolved before travel but meant he needed to check in in the airport for a physical boarding card. Just wouldn't listen to him and kept assuming he was on another delayed flight. Infuriating.

putyourhandsintheairok · 13/08/2024 15:37

Sounds like a nightmare, op. I can't believe your workplace put you all through that for a single meeting, don't they use videocalls?

Plump82 · 13/08/2024 15:37

We've done the same trip as you twice with 1.5 hrs time in between each flight. The first one was smooth sailing while the 2nd time was much like your experience, along with aggressive staff. We ran through that airport like our lives depended on it ( and I don't "do" running!) and thankfully made it. However they did manage to lose my husband's luggage which turned up on day 3 of 5 day trip. So that's it's for us! Never again!

yodaforpresident · 13/08/2024 15:39

Sorry to hear about your awful journey. Have you considered registering for Global Entry? There is paperwork but most definitely worth the effort for travelling to the US.

BrookGreen54 · 13/08/2024 15:39

notanotheronenow · 13/08/2024 15:09

Aer Lingus is shit.

US security guards are shit.

Last time I went to Dublin airport a basic ham sandwich was the best part of a tenner and the people behind me (Irish) were talking about how someone had got a gun through security and it hadn't been found until everyone was on the plane.

I thought the UK was shit, but Irish people describing Ireland as worse - to each other- was really eye opening.

No ignorant generalisations of an entire nation, please.

Oakcupboard · 13/08/2024 15:40

Sounds stressful op. Its unusual though, anytime I’ve went through US customs in Dublin it has literally taken me only 10mins tops - it’s a straight walk through, even at peak times. I will travel further and pay more to travel from Dublin because of it.

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