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It's not over until the Cat Lady sings - Trump thread #133

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Spandauer · 03/08/2024 23:02

Bigly Thanks to BruceAndNosh for the thread title.

Hopefully people can open this link OK.
https://x.com/amy_siskind/status/1818015701023735951?s=46&t=sQEeBsNjiTta_B_D1Qh6IQ

Previous thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/politics/5058103-trump-trial-time-banish-all-memories-of-mueller

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https://x.com/amy_siskind/status/1818015701023735951?s=46&t=sQEeBsNjiTta_B_D1Qh6IQ

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Wallaw · 27/08/2024 12:28

Zonder · 27/08/2024 07:53

He makes a fair point in this paragraph:

Mr. Trump has said he wants to do to his opponents what they are doing to him. At the end of the day, what they are undertaking is a focused, intelligently designed campaign to disqualify him. Responding in kind doesn’t mean lashing out in Truth Social posts but crafting a comprehensive anti-Harris argument that implicates, in turn, her unsuitability for the highest office in the land

But the rest of it is dross.

Yeah, I mean trying to craft a campaign to disqualify the other side is the most basic part of a political campaign, but whether or not the rest is dross isn't the point. It's that the New York Times has chosen, yet again, to run a piece that treats Trump as a normal, acceptable candidate for the presidency. He isn't. He's a 4 times indicted, guilty of 34 felony counts, guilty of sexual assault and tax fraud and incited an insurrection against his own country's democratic process.

It's an opinion piece, it's not news. They have no obligation to put it in their paper and should not.

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 27/08/2024 14:36

Agreed, @Wallaw, but is this not just indicative of the movement to the right which has progressed apace in the media ever since Trump first started his campaign to be President?

Wallaw · 27/08/2024 14:52

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 27/08/2024 14:36

Agreed, @Wallaw, but is this not just indicative of the movement to the right which has progressed apace in the media ever since Trump first started his campaign to be President?

I'm not sure I see it as a move to the right - although in some instances, such as CNN, it clearly is - as much as mainstream and legacy media refusing to accept that their old model of 'balance' stops working when one side no longer cares about objective truth. They think that equal time equates to fairness, which it no longer does.

I saw it here during Brexit - here's a respected academic economist to tell you why Brexit is going to harm the UK and, now, with equal time, here's Biff, a former tyre salesman from Taxing Billionaires Iz Bad.Org to explain why it's going to be great. One side was lying, they didn't need equal time. They needed media to explain their lies. I still see it on question time - here's Emily Thornberry and on the other side Isabel Oakeshott...

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 27/08/2024 15:05

Grin @ False Balance Fallacy.

SerendipityJane · 27/08/2024 15:37

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 27/08/2024 15:05

Grin @ False Balance Fallacy.

DoB also did a routine about "Stargazing Live" (with prof. Brian Cox) where "for balance" the BBC wanted an astrologer on. In the end it didn't happen. Why ? As Dob said "Your work clothes are a cape and hat ..."

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 27/08/2024 16:37

Dragging the country back to the 1920s and 30s has never been funny.

Does it also propose prohibition, which was such a great success?

(That ad doesn't actually make sense, because if it were federal law, crossing a state line wouldn't make any difference.)

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 27/08/2024 17:44

That ad is very scary. As is Project 2025.

BruceAndNosh · 27/08/2024 18:17

I think of my own reproductive journey and what it could be like for a young woman under Trumps USA if she faces the same as I did.
Would the doctors be able to intervene after diagnosing her ectopic pregnancy? Or would she have to wait until it ruptured and she began to haemorrhage internally?
If she survived the ectopic with only one tube, and the other one badly scarred, would IVF be an option for her? If - like me - she miscarried the IVF pregnancy , would she be accused of murder by causing an abortion?

Spandauer · 27/08/2024 18:51

I'm so sorry you experienced such a heartbreaking time with your pregnancies. BruceAndNosh 💐

IMO, the future for women trying to manage their reproductive health in the US if Trump is elected will be devastating. I don't think for one minute that he, himself, actually gives a toss about abortion one way or another, but he'll do/say/agree to anything if he thinks it's beneficial for him. And that means giving his approval to all the hypocritical pseudo-religious beliefs of the evangelical "Christian" c*nts.
thehill.com/opinion/4848875-trump-lies-abortion-rights/amp/

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prettybird · 27/08/2024 19:16

I had two missed miscarriages of much wanted pregnancies - the second one of twins - that had to be "managed" by ERPCs Sad (I think the procedure is called something else now) because well, they were missed miscarriages Confused.

So under Project 25/certain states rules, would I have had to risk infection and even sepsis, while I waited for my body to expel what had become a bunch of non-viable cells? SadShock

How cruel Angry

BruceAndNosh · 27/08/2024 20:17

Thankfully the bonkers law that Ohio proposed a few years ago came to nothing. They said that to avoid potential charges of "abortion murder", doctors had to try to reimplant an ectopic pregnancy into a woman's uterus.
What a wonderful idea! Except such a procedure does not exist because it has never worked.

Igotjelly · 27/08/2024 20:45

https://x.com/AdamParkhomenko/status/1828451144508600491

Well I know what I want for Christmas! Trump digital trading cards, with some limited edition sneakers and a bit of the ‘knockout’ suit 😂😂😂😂😂

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https://x.com/AdamParkhomenko/status/1828451144508600491

DuncinToffee · 27/08/2024 22:02

https://x.com/kyledcheney/status/1828523234825843033

A grand jury has returned a superseding indictment against Donald Trump in Washington, D.C. retaining the same four core charges against him for trying to subvert the election.

Spandauer · 27/08/2024 22:37

Jack Smith not letting go of that bone.
More on the new indictment.

(From Washington Post)
In a written notice to the court, Smith said the indictment was filed “by a new grand jury that had not previously heard evidence in this case” and that it “reflects the Government’s efforts to respect and implement the Supreme Court’s holdings and remand instructions.”


Smith said he will not seek to have Trump arraigned again on the new version of the four-count indictment, and still expects to make a joint proposal later this week about how to schedule a new set of pretrial hearings.

The original 45-page indictment has been reduced to 36 pages, after prosecutors removed a series of allegations that the Supreme Court’s conservative supermajority said were wrongly filed. Specifically, those allegations related to an effort by Trump in late 2020 to make the Justice Department support his false claims of potential voter fraud.

That means Trump is no longer charged with trying to force his Justice Department to conduct sham election fraud investigations and to urge state legislators to meet and choose fraudulent electors over the legitimate ones. The Supreme Court ruled that interactions between a president and his Justice Department would be considered an official presidential act that is immune from prosecution.


The removal of those allegations also means the indictment no longer accuses someone identified in the original document only as “Co-Conspirator No. 4,” but who people familiar with the case have said is former Justice Department official Jeffrey Clark. Those people spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss parts of the investigation that had not been made public.


Clark’s removal from the case means that instead of six uncharged co-conspirators in the indictment, there are now five — most of them lawyers who advised Trump on his efforts to undo the results of the 2020 presidential election.


The indictment is tailored to the Supreme Court’s criticism of Smith’s approach, and their conclusion that a president or former president cannot be charged for official acts. The court also ruled that evidence of official acts for the most part cannot be used against a former president in a criminal trial.


As a result, the indictment tries to underscore more clearly that Trump and his co-conspirators allegedly acted in their unofficial capacities.


“These co-conspirators included the following individuals, none of whom were government officials during the conspiracies and all of whom were acting in a private capacity,” the new language in the superseding indictment says.

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Spandauer · 27/08/2024 22:41

Igotjelly · 27/08/2024 20:45

https://x.com/AdamParkhomenko/status/1828451144508600491

Well I know what I want for Christmas! Trump digital trading cards, with some limited edition sneakers and a bit of the ‘knockout’ suit 😂😂😂😂😂

I've come to the conclusion that he's an alien species. There's no other explanation.

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Spandauer · 27/08/2024 22:45

Recap:

  • A superseding indictment was filed in the DC election interference case today.
  • It streamlines the charges and supporting evidence in the original indictment, in keeping with the SCOTUS ruling re: executive immunity.
  • it circumvents the need for an evidentiary hearing (the "mini trial") to determine what charges apply.
  • The DOJ has stated its position in this indictment. The majority of the charges levied against Donald Trump fall outside the scope of immunity.

What happens next:

  • Trump's team will argue the opposite. They will try to dismiss the superseding indictment based on the SCOTUS immunity ruling. Judge Chutkan will reject their appeal.
  • They'll appeal to the higher courts. It's likely to end up back with SCOTUS. This time they have no more rope to give him.

However long it takes, Donald Trump will face justice. In both the DC election interference case the FL docs case (currently on appeal with the 11th circuit)

His only escape left is to win the election and appoint an AG who stops all federal cases and investigations against him.

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Zonder · 28/08/2024 00:07

Igotjelly · 27/08/2024 20:45

https://x.com/AdamParkhomenko/status/1828451144508600491

Well I know what I want for Christmas! Trump digital trading cards, with some limited edition sneakers and a bit of the ‘knockout’ suit 😂😂😂😂😂

I've seen it all now!

AcrossthePond55 · 28/08/2024 01:21

SerendipityJane · 27/08/2024 16:18

Not so funny.

I'm post menopausal and have no DD nor DGDs to worry about. Even so, that ad actually made my gut clench and gave me a really feeling of anxiety. If I, who have no personal 'skin in the game', has such a visceral reaction I can only imagine what a woman in her reproductive years must feel.

I hope it reaches women (and men) who are waffling about reproductive freedom. And personal freedom, too. What might be next? Tightening up divorce laws because 'the sanctity of marriage must be preserved' and trapping women (and men) in abusive marriages?

If Trump isn't defeated and the Project 2025 bastards get their way, are we looking and Gilead 2.0?

BruceAndNosh · 28/08/2024 09:35

What worries me is how the Conservative reproductive policies are all about restricting women. Not only abortion rights but some states also cutting down on contraception access.
YouTube comments from Conservatives say things like "if you don't want to get pregnant, just don't have sex" without thinking about all those poor horny men who wouldn't be keen to have Abstinence as their method of contraception.

God forbid the US ends up like El Salvador where women have jailed after having miscarriages

SerendipityJane · 28/08/2024 10:17

Private Eye:

It's not over until the Cat Lady sings - Trump thread #133
SerendipityJane · 28/08/2024 10:50

Watching one of the US commentators I found it highly ironic that the MAGA crowd are turning on Trump now for have what seems like a really good idea for the US. (Stopped clock and all that). Which is that overseas students should be allowed/encouraged US Citizenship when they complete their studies. A great way to boost industry with talent.

Not sure what the appetite might be generally, but it has the whiff of "worth looking at".

BustingBaoBun · 28/08/2024 11:05

YouTube comments from Conservatives say things like "if you don't want to get pregnant, just don't have sex" without thinking about all those poor horny men who wouldn't be keen to have Abstinence as their method of contraception

If they want to go down this path, it would be much easier if all men had a vasectomy and when they wanted to have children, it could be reversed. I believe it's not so difficult to do that now.

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