Question about the rioters

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Just reading about the riots and how some rioters are in custody.

How does it work with those who are employed? Does their time away from work come out of annual leave, or is it unpaid leave?

Do some employers just sack them? Either for being in custody, or if they are simply known to have been rioting? Can employers even do that?

Just curious really.

Following as I was wondering this the other day. My mind always goes to either Crabbe or Goyle not returning to the Harry Potter films!

I’m sure depending on the job being arrested for rioting would be gross misconduct as it would bring the company name into disrepute, so hopefully they get a nice sacking once they are out of custody.

I would imagine a lot don’t have a job, or only menial jobs who won’t care if they’re arrested as they will have a similar mindset.

I agree. One should not make generalisations, but looking at footage it is possible some of them might be unemployed or in low paid jobs.

They do not all appear to be lawyers, hospital consultants, university professors or similar. I accept I may be making unfair judgements though.

I imagine some may perhaps be employed by people of a similar mindset. We had a couple of tradesmen in for a few hours recently. They did an excellent job but had the radio on and when there was a headline about people arriving on boats what I overheard from them was not pleasant. They had nearly finished the job, otherwise I would have told them to leave.

Someone told me (no idea if true) that if you name your employer on your social media profile then do something like the riots or post support of them etc you can be sacked for gross misconduct as you are bringing the company name into disrepute.

Littletreefrog That would seem a sensible outcome.

It's a shame that those living on benefits don't get "sacked" from being able to claim benefits in the same way that a worker could be sacked from their job. That would be a real disincentive to riot. Shame should apply to other serious law breaking.

taxguru I entirely agree.

What happens to their partners and children though, if they have no income?

Totally agree with you for all rioters, and stabbers.

Most of them seem to be sponsored by various lager companies. A can in one hand seems to be mandatory.

You thinking Octoberfest?

In our company you’d be unauthorised absence. Which could trigger disciplinary procedure.

I had an employee that was arrested for rape and remanded in custody for a while. We didn't know where he was as we couldn't reach him or his next of kin. He was unpaid and fired in his absence for failing to follow procedure i.e calling in each day of absence. He came back and explained himself and was reinstated up until the trial. Innocent until proven otherwise. His gf dropped the charges but he left of his own accord shortly afterwards. He was unpaid to answer your question, I imagine rioting would be he same, as an unauthorised absence.

Normally you have to be working for two years with the same employer in the first place to claim unfair dismissal. A bit of a stretch for some.

In theory your own time is for you to do what you will in. Most employers take a dim view of being linked in the media with Big Billy Bollocks getting done for chucking bricks at counter protesters etc.

It's not too difficult to sack someone if you follow your own discipline procedure properly.

Oh gosh, these ghastly people. What can be done to ensure they behave themselves? Surely the workhouse would be appropriate.

I would just take annual leave or unpaid leave. HTH.

Looking at the footage from Hull I doubt any of them are employed in more than a Saturday job.

Bunch of kids on their school holidays.

There are millions of people who work in 'menial' jobs,whatever they are,who are disgusted by the rioting. It's quite offensive to lump them all together and assume they all think the same.

Are these "protests" peaceful though?
Why would you risk your clear DBS ( a clear DBS only means you haven't been caught doing something criminal) if you attend a peaceful protest?
A coward for not doing what?

Feel strongly enough about what?

It’s a genuine question btw. I really don’t understand what they’re protesting about.

I agree. Here in Southport, for example, we have an incredible man who is a window cleaner who rushed to help when the attack started. He deserves a medal, along with many others.

People with "menial" jobs have helped fix the damage outsiders wreaked on us, roadsweepers, refuse workers, bricklayers, shop workers giving free ice cream to children. People who are old and young, all skin colours and beliefs, working, not working. They really are diamonds of human beings.

Those outsiders hijacking our grief for their own ends, pretending that they " feel strongly about this" ( they don't) to riot and set fires and hurt others are just beneath contempt.

Hear, hear.

The vast majority of people on benefits are also not rioting.

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