A third child has died in Southport.

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Incomprehensible and senseless. Absolutely devastating. 💔💔💔

It's horrific. These poor beautiful angels. I can't stop thinking what their parents/family/friends are going through. I really hope all the critical pull through.

There used to be locked wards in psychiatric hospitals not 'care in the community' what now? Absolute stupidity beyond belief to have done away with this facility.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13688687/pictured-victim-stabbed-death-southport-Taylor-swift-dance-class.html

There still are locked wards, secure units and medium secure units.

I'm not.

That really brings it home. The little 6 year old was wearing a Wicked t shirt in the picture. My daughter had a Wicked T shirt when she was not much older and she also loved Taylor Swift back in the Love Story era.

How do those families cope.

Genuinely curious why there is a total media blackout on the identity and potential motive of the killer?!! Obviously not a bad thing to avoid giving him attention but it's very unusual considering the typical pattern of reporting.

We know he's 17 but so was Jonty Bravery, the guy who threw a child off the Tate and there were news reports following that tragedy almost immediately. Same for all school shooting suspects in the USA, age is rarely factor for a media blackout. The DM usually runs at least one article on the background of the perpetrator but there is nothing at all at the moment.

It seems like there is a lot more to the story that the public are not being told.

Ok, well I’m not about to derail the thread and argue with you about what you claim to have seen on X, so we’ll have to agree to disagree.

@PeachLemonGummy just a guess, pure guess, possibly a family member of some of the victims.

What were the crowds shouting at Kier Starmer?

I can’t recall the Tate timing. Was there a judicial decision before the name was released?

Exclusion is the last thing they need. It will push them even more into the fringes of society which makes them much more vulnerable to being radicalised, getting dragged into county lines, turn to ropey communities, start believing shite spouted by only know who because they feel like they finally 'fit' somewhere.

Now the family name is flying about on Twitter and the father has been identified. They might as well name him.

Because the law prohibits anyone who is under the age of 18 from being named when they are accused of a crime.

Was Jonty Bravery named before he was 18?

Other jurisdictions are not relevant as only the law of England and Wales applies to this case.

I have just seen the pictures of the three beautiful little girls that died. I’m in tears and cannot begin to imagine the grief and pain of the parents and families.

I’m at a loss as to what would possess anyone to do this. Just beyond belief.

Actually, in the immediate aftermath of that, Twitter was full of people claiming that because he hadn't been named, that meant it was blatantly obvious it was a attack by an Muslim man and the State was covering it up.

They just went quiet once his ethnicity and belief system didn't meet with their racism.

There would have to have been, wouldn't there?

I thought that could be a possibility as how would he know about this event?

Does anyone know if the police are likely to give any further updates regarding motive or will that be it now until the trial?

I can't recall when the name was released but they definitely gave an overall profile shortly after the attack, including the fact it was a person who was mentally unwell and in some sort of assisted living arrangement. They also reported he had ASD which caused some controversy as many weren't happy with it being associated with senseless acts of violence. But was still enough info to give the tragedy some context, and to rule out other speculations like terrorism, domestic incident etc.

There still are secure units in psychiatric hospitals. There are medium secure units in many hospitals around the UK, and these are units with very tight security where the patients can't come and go as they like (although there are cases every so often of patients absconding - the mental health system is at breaking point, so that's not surprising). Many of the patients in MSUs have been convicted of serious offences and either transferred from prison because they are obviously mentally ill, or sent to hospital instead of prison in the first instance. They are monitored by the Ministry of Justice. Others have a history of violence, arson, sex offences etc as well as a diagnosed mental illness, and this should feed into the risk assessment done before deciding whether to move them into lower security in-patient units, or back to the community, if they seem to be improving. If they get worse there is the possibility of a transfer to a high-security hospital. In England there are three such hospitals: Broadmoor, Ashworth and Rampton. In Scotland there's Carstairs.

I am not a mental health professional but I used to work with many and visited a medium secure unit for work purposes several times. It's not a picnic being an in-patient in a place like that. Most of my colleagues had worked at Broadmoor and that sounded like a very grim place indeed. The security is exceptionally tight and it's not a remotely normal life for anyone there.

Decades ago when there a lot more in-patient beds in psychiatric hospitals most wards were not locked. Care in the community has failed because there has never been enough money put into mental health. The money made from selling off the old asylums should have been ringfenced for care in the community. I don't imagine it was.

I believe it is an established fact that most people with mental illnesses are not violent and are actually at greater risk of experiencing violence than the population as a whole.

Deepest Deepest sympathy to everyone who has been involved with this terrible tragedy.

What I find strange is that he took a taxi to this community centre.

It really is incomprehensible. And how did this guy know about the event?

This is also my suspicion. The fact he travelled specifically to that location and event makes it less likely to be a fully random act of violence under psychosis.