Have any conspiracy theories ever been proven true?

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Does anyone know if any past ones have? What have some past ones been? I only know the more recent ones

also quite fancied a CT thread 😳

You say these things but you are just plain wrong. And I speak with a certain degree of expertise in molecular virology.
Again, let me be clear, on an individual basis Covid wasn’t a big deal, you were very likely to have a mild disease. I certainly did, although my friend died. But on a population basis, it would have been catastrophic for the NHS. And no government would have survived scenes of thousands of people dying in hospital carparks and corridors.
That is the very simple reality, whatever your belief is.

Those lucky surfers.
Lovdd Andrew Cotter's commentary.

Wrong thread! 😳

The Covid vaccines have caused so many issues. Strokes, heart attacks, cancers in young people and medical people are agreeing with this now.

No we’re not.

I'm sure it was, covid was found in France in the end of December 2019, a man who died of pneumonia and his lung tissue sample was tested later.

I know someone who has family in china not all that far from Wuhan, they were saying in October 2019 how bad the seasonal illnesses were already. Impossible to know if it was covid though.

The steam would run the engine however it is produced.
The fuel doesn’t power the engine, the steam does. It’s different to an internal combustion engine.

Really wish I hadn’t read the wiki link about the American government testing on people 😢

Fascinating if deeply unsettling thread OP. It’ll be keeping me awake later 😂

The gas powering the internal combustion engine would run the engine however it was produced, the petrol is still powering the engine as it is producing the gas. You could make the steam in a steam engine another way, for instance by burning wood, then the wood would be fuelling the engine.

You burn the coal which produces heat that evaporates the water turning it into steam which powers the engine. The original energy to power the engine comes from the coal.

The energy comes from whatever it is - oil, coal, sunlight, nuclear fission - that's heating water into pressurised steam in the boiler. The steam is transmitting that energy in the form of heat and pressure from the boiler to the piston/turbine. The piston/turbine then transforms that heat/pressure energy into movement of a crank or shaft.

A flu study in Seattle in 2019 found an unknown virus in the sewage system, it’s now thought to have been covid.

Many conspiracy theorists predicted that lockdowns would never end.

Many conspiracy theorists predicted that half the vaccinated population would be dead by Christmas 2022, then scratched that and changed it to 23. I recently saw a video that has rehashed that particular prediction and they’re claiming it’ll happen by 2025.

I have no doubt that the vaccine is damaging people, just like covid itself can. Too many decent drs have spoken out about it for there not to be something in it, but it’s all shut down very quickly. That’s not to say that I believe that all vaccines are bad, or that we’re all doomed. There’s propaganda and lies on both sides of the argument, but there is also plausible science as well. Shutting down discussion, which is what happened, really points towards there being something to hide.

Drs are typically not people who question things. They are bombarded with information, they are trained to trust big pharma, they do the jobs they do very well, but there are very few who will stick their heads above the parapet, especially when they see what happens to their outspoken colleagues.

Yes to this!! I was getting fobbed off by my gp for months who was absolutely insistent I had long Covid. I argued and argued on the basis that I had been recovered from Covid for months before starting to feel unwell. Ended up going via a private gp, and blood tests which showed I was very low in b12! GP later called me back to apologise.

Certainly, yes. How about this one?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/modern-art-was-cia-weapon-1578808.html

Agreed

Although you have now learnt that life lesson that apparently you aren't capable of critical thinking

Or in the case of Iceland's Hellisheida geothermal power plant, just steam.

In Iceland's case the energy to boil the water comes from heat from magma.

The MSM told you this to instill fear so you would get the vaccine.

Thank you for taking the time to type what I was thinking
So obvious isn't it

But lockdown nearly didn’t end. It could easily still be going on now. I remember when Boris stopped it in 2021 hundreds of doctors and “experts” and Keir bleeding Starmer shouting hysterically about how irresponsible this was and how millions of people would die.
Thankfully he ignored them.

I suspect if you don’t know more than the phrase ‘heart problems’ there no point telling you that myocarditis post vaccine isn’t a conspiracy theory it’s a known potential adverse effect studied and quantified by researchers because this is literally how science works. You are also, of course, more likely to develop myocarditis from covid than you are form the vaccine.

It was a conspiracy that earlier illnesses were not covid. Therefore Covid was new in March 2020. If the conspiracy wasn’t actually true and earlier illnesses were Covid then all the predictions about potential deaths were based on the wrong information.

This, a hundred times this. There were endless discussions on Radio 4 (before I abandoned it when I heard Saint Boris say "we must squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze the brakes" once too many) on "will we have rolling lockdowns every winter?", as if trying to soften us up for the idea. This is exactly why I and many others thought it was important to resist lockdowns from the start, in case they become a regularly used tool. Sunak claims that he personally stopped a fourth lockdown, flying in to do so; I don't know if this is true. Certainly Partygate made it much more difficult politically for any more lockdowns or restrictions to be imposed, at least for now, while people are still angry. Without Partygate, we might still be having winter restrictions every year, or mask mandates from "October to Easter".

I have a theory that Partygate might have been deliberately staged to turn the public against further lockdowns; the government knew that lockdowns would cause massive damage, even if they couldn't possibly say so. They didn't even want to impose lockdown at all in 2020, but the scientists and the public were begging and pleading for it; so I think it's possible that a staged Partygate was "behavioural science" to reverse the public's want for lockdown, perhaps bribing Saint Boris with a few million to play along; after all, that government thought nothing of wasting vast amounts of public money, and for him, any publicity is good publicity. It's just my theory, and it might be completely wrong, but the timing of Partygate seemed too good to be true, and it was scrutinised in such forensic detail. (I think the same scrutiny should have been applied to Tony Blair's weapons of mass destruction.)

As for "did Covid exist before 2020"? I think I might have had it in December 2019, when the narrative was "it's nothing to worry about": for a week, I was ill like I'd never been before. A family I worked with in 2020 said the same thing, they all had it in 2019. And when working with that family, I had to carry papers in my car for "permission" to be out and about, in case I was stopped by the police. We must NEVER forget that this became a reality.

No. The debate was fundamentally over how many infections/deaths per day should trigger the start and end of lockdowns. Factored in to that was the impact of events like Christmas where people travel more, the state of the NHS, the impact on the economy, some areas being more badly affected than others and so on. It was a judgment call. Sometimes Boris got it right, sometimes he got it wrong. Arguably if he'd brought in lockdowns sooner they would have been shorter but hindsight etc.

No one, absolutely no one, was calling for lockdowns to be permanent. The only people banging on about permanent lockdowns were flat-earth level loons, conspiracy-cult grifters, and their direct/indirect gullible audiences.

Do you have any research data for the claim that covid causes myocarditis?

@InsensibleMe my Dad has now had 2 strokes and every time he’s been in hospital both his consultants have said they are seeing more and more and younger and younger and are now questioning the vaccine and the effect it is having on people. The many nurses / physios we see are also in agreement so maybe not you but where we are, lots are!