Have any conspiracy theories ever been proven true?

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Does anyone know if any past ones have? What have some past ones been? I only know the more recent ones

also quite fancied a CT thread 😳

Lots of people (dismissed as "conspiracy theorists") predicted that compulsory vaccines would follow on from lockdowns - this was certainly true in some countries, and came dangerously close to reality in England.

Lockdown was never going to be "three weeks to flatten the curve". It's true that the UK government didn't actually say this, but it's often quoted. Perhaps it was said in the USA?

I'm sure there's a link between vaccines and heart problems. Healthy teenagers do not simply drop dead with no reason.

Some scientists have admitted that the "two metres" figure for social distancing was made up on the spot, and not based on any experiments or anything.

The media is tightly controlled by the government, especially the BBC, and especially during Covid. The government made sure there was a media blackout on anti-lockdown marches, or limited them to "a few hundred conspiracy theorists as Speaker's Corner": I attended many of these myself, and saw with my own eyes that they were easily hundreds of thousands of people; many of them ordinary parents concerned for the future of their children in the government's Brave New World.

Here are a few things which I think might (repeat, MIGHT) be true, as I believe that many things are not as they seem. I'm keeping an open mind, and I don't have enough evidence for these, but I will not be at all surprised if they are shown to be true later.

• The Queen wasn't in the coffin that everybody queued past.
• The royals and senior politicians talk about "population control" when they think nobody is listening. Prince Philip had something on his mind when he said in 1988 "If I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, to do something about overpopulation." I'm not suggesting there's a link between this and 2020, but it's interesting how his death was that year. Boris Johnson (or maybe Stanley) once wrote in the Telegraph "I cannot understand why nobody is worrying about population control".
• Actors were involved in the videos of nurses in 2020: after all, there were plenty of actors around who needed work.
• Lots (or maybe all) of the covid tests had fixed results, with a percentage of them being set to positive, depending on the narrative. This was why they had expiry dates.
• That the politicians realised that masks were useful for making the public feel afraid, hence the u-turn from "masks are counter-productive" to "now they are compulsory".
• Sunak's downfall was stage managed, maybe by Sunak himself, or by his team, on Sunak's order: he wanted to be certain that he would not win. Many of the gaffes seemed too good to be true, such as the D-day gaffe: surely one of his handlers knew this would look bad? Ditto the soaking election speech, and the Lib Dem boat passing in the background.
• Partygate might even have been stage managed, to make damn sure the public would not "want" another lockdown, after they were begging and pleading for it in 2020. Of course, Johnson did the whole "it wasn't me, I swear!", but if he was bribed to play along (and he's far too weak to refuse a good offer), he had to appear not to co-operate.

Again, the above might be true: I'm saying no more than that.

I've certainly heard of this. If you are "cancelled" in this way, when you post a comment, it appears to be there, but nobody else sees it. I know someone who discovered this by accident when they looked at a discussion that had contributed to, when they were not logged in.

Lockdown was never going to be "three weeks to flatten the curve". It's true that the UK government didn't actually say this, but it's often quoted. Perhaps it was said in the USA?

I think Johnson did say that and there was certainly a lot of bad poetry appearing on the internet but people who believed we were going to be let out having saved humanity by spending 3 weeks baking banana bread and doing silly dances.

"Conspiracy theorists do like to simplify things though and pretend there is an easy answer, water powered car anyone?"

If you can have steam powered trains why can't you have water powered cars?

In any case hydrogen powered cars is a thing. Drax are about to build a hydrogen power plant in Selby.

In 2022 the UK government launched a £5 million hydrogen innovation programme.

The thing is, steam isn't the power behind steam trains: the power comes from coal. The steam is just the middleman. It's the same in many power stations: although they use steam to convert heat to motion, the actual energy comes from coal, oil or nuclear power.

The steam is not the middle man. The steam moves the pistons which generates the power. The coal is used to turn water into steam to do that.

That's why they're called steam engines not coal engines.

But that’s not a conspiracy. The mRNA vaccine is linked to heart problems. Specifically young men developing myocarditis shortly after receiving it.

what it is not linked to is heart issues years after. There is already well documented cases of SAD linked to fit and healthy young, primarily men, people. Over represented in people who play sport because exercise places extra strain on the heart. Other causes of heart disease and consequent events are already linked to lifestyle and other factors, all of which have been well documented before 2020.

My DP has complained before that nuclear power is demystified when you realise it’s just another way of creating heat to cause steam

Boris Johnson (or maybe Stanley) once wrote in the Telegraph "I cannot understand why nobody is worrying about population control".

It was Stanley. Boris has been doing his best to increase the population 😂

I had blood clots in my lungs. No explanation what so ever. Although I had the Pfizer vaccine.

I'm on blood thinners for life now and they exhaust me.

‘. my conspiracy is that AZ are paying people off and hiding the true impact of their vaccine.’
That’s not a conspiracy, it’s just something you personally believe (with no actual evidence).

It did, though the risk of dying of it was hugely inflated, largely by ignoring all the people who caught it without being tested, and recovered. So the stats they trotted out about risk were based only on known cases, so made Covid look far, far more dangerous than it actually was.

Sorry to hear that, it’s an unsettling health issue to experience.

blood clots are associated more with the AZ vaccine afaik, but all medications/vaccines likely carry some risk as does Covid itself.

sorry to say, that sometimes we have health issues and there never is an explanation. There are probable causes and attempts at explanation but by and large it’s a case of it is what it is and unlikely to have been avoided by actions you could have taken in the time frame around it occurring.

@Cornettoninja 💓

Oh come on now. Are you seriously suggesting the Covid vaccines weren't referred to as safe and effective on countless occasions? And the problem is that the ongoing high excess death rate in all countries using the mRNA vaccines indicate that actually there are way more problems with people getting the jabs than not. These vaccines are not the same as previous vaccines, even ignoring that many vaccines pre-Covid were withdrawn for causing way fewer problems than the mRNA ones have. Check out the swine flu vaccine, for example.

And additionally ignored that it had already been circulating in the population from at least December

I don't agree. I had the vaccine and I would do again if the same situation arose. I didn't vaccinate my young children as, for them, the risk from covid was so low that it didn't seem the benefits outweighed the risks. They had all standard childhood vaccines.

This interview with an NHS doctor and the Health Secretary stand out in my memory as does the absolute silence from his colleagues when asked whether they support his views:

I had a look at a long thread written just after lockdown.
Lots of people voiced their views that it was from the Wuhan lab and that WHO was unreliable.
These views were roundly opposed. “Do you think you know more than some of the cleverest scientists in the world?” and then wrote stuff in scientific jargon as they were a scientist who specialised in such viruses.

Others said along the lines of “How dare you criticise China - our government is far worse’.
One person posted a link to an article is Scientific American which included the following:

In Shitou Cave—where painstaking scrutiny has yielded a natural genetic library of bat-borne viruses—the team discovered a coronavirus strain that came from horseshoe bats with a genomic sequence nearly 97 percent identical to the one found in civets in Guangdong. The finding concluded a decade-long search for the natural reservoir of the SARS coronavirus. ……Back in Wuhan, where the lockdown was finally lifted on April 8, China’s bat woman is not in a celebratory mood. She is distressed because stories from the Internet and major media have repeated a tenuous suggestion that SARS-CoV-2 accidentally leaked from her lab—despite the fact that its genetic sequence does not match any her lab had previously studied. Other scientists are quick to dismiss the allegation. “Shi leads a world-class lab of the highest standards,” Daszak says

Yes they have admitted that. Along with the covid jabs only does harm to your body if you have taken it. Maybe not now but it will cause cancer in the long run 😢

No, the power comes from burning the coal. The fuel is the coal and oxygen. A petrol car works in a similar way with the combustion gases pushing the pistons, that's why it's called an internal combustion engine, would you also say a car not fuelled by petrol/diesel?

Regarding heart conditions and the young, it’s not a new thing. Maybe social media has made us more aware if it, and people are recognising it more.

Theres a charity C-R-Y that does cardiac screening in the young and raises awareness. It was set up in 1995, when heart problems causing young deaths was probably unheard of. I never knew about it during my teens and twenties.

That's hilarious. That quote at the end from Peter Daszak, 'another scientist'!

What an absolute scandal.

That's hilarious. That quote at the end from Peter Daszak, 'another scientist'!
What an absolute scandal.
@timenowplease

I agree. Did these scientists who misled everyone ever face any consequences?
Is WHO still taken seriously? I’m not sure if they were in the pay of China or just terrified of them - though I think someone high up in WHO had a connection with the Chinese government.