King's Speech-worker's rights..

[CurlewKate]

Apparently, the government is proposing legislation that will make protection from unfair dismissal a day one right- not as it currently is and kicking in after 2 years. Huge if true.....

Would you vote against? And if so why?

That’s … really not how it works 😂

''@absquatulize · Today 19:28
What I think is outrageous, is that Kier has just made our King announce these policies, where has been the opportunity for us to have a say in them and vote on them.''

Have a say in them?

That would be the general election we just had...

Labour had already said they were going to make these changes and people voted to elect a Labour government.

Do you expect to be consulted everytime they announce a new policy? that's just bizarre.

Most of the country didn't vote Labour.

And Kier spent the whole election not telling us his plan, so how was anyone supposed to know it would come to this?

It is a contractual matter rather than legal so companies can still use them.

I don’t believe for a minute it will become a day 1 right when they rub a few more braincells together.

@absquatulize

Most of the country didn't vote Labour.

Are you saying that because of the low turnout? If so, it makes equal sense to say that 'most of the country' didn't vote for the Lib Dems, the Greens, the Conservatives or Reform either.

I think you need to do a bit of research into the process of government if you think the public should be voting on each individual piece of legislation.
And you might like to know that the prime minister is Keir Starmer not Kier.
Thanks for giving me a laugh at the mental image of the prime minister forcing poor King Charles into giving this speech though.
I thought pretty much everything in the speech today was excellent btw. A refreshing reset thank goodness.

No I am saying it because it is true.

I am very pleased that you found my contribution entertaining.

Thank God Labour is in.
Thank God.

generally being sacked is like failing your driving it’s never your fault and you’ve done nothing wrong

the majority of people shouting unfair dismissal haven’t been

And I’m sure The Good Lord will bestow upon us abundance, justice and peace now that his Son walketh within 10 Downing Street and his Apostles, including St Yvette Cooper, St Rachel Reeves and St David Lammy, do write their epistles and lead to us unto the promised land.

🙄

On what basis are you saying it is "true". What is your reason? What is your evidence?

@absquatulize

reform voter?

I agree with this.
Two years is ridiculous- one year is a good balance

'@absquatulize

Most of the country didn't vote Labour.

And Kier spent the whole election not telling us his plan, so how was anyone supposed to know it would come to this?'

You need to educate yourself about how elections work....

He is the PM anyway so this is irrelevant.

The changes to workers' rights were widely known and discussed with the unions/made public before the election.

They will get performance managed and go through a disciplinary process and then lose their job.
Another example of how people have been lulled into thinking being able to sack someone for no reason is good

Great. How much taxpayers’ money are you happy to spend on incapable public sector workers to go through a 3-6 month PIP then 3 months-ish disciplinary process when it’s been identified in the first couple of months that they can’t do the job? Because that’s going to hit school and health budgets really quickly.

Not to mention small businesses.

Agencies will be booming though.

In the interests of factual accuracy, I would like to point out that at employment tribunals a little over 40% of claims of unfair dismissal are successful.
It does depend on the basis of the claim, in some categories such as claims around working time regulations the % successful is much higher. (72%).

The evidence is publicly available from the counts at the General Election.

If a business or public sector body, is regularly recruiting people who are not up to the job, do those organisations ever stop to think about their recruitment practices or the support and training they give to new staff?

The difficulty is that disgruntled employees will lodge claims whatever led to them being dismissed. And employers tend to settle to avoid the hundreds of hours of work and many thousands of pounds spent on lawyers that these claims require.

Employment rights are a good thing, but they do have to be framed carefully or they become a source of mischief, like dodgy personal injury claims or data protection compo demands.

Plenty of ex-employees reach for an ET1 for no better reason than to cause trouble for the employer. Bear in mind that complainants in employment cases almost never have to pay costs if they lose.

There’s always a risk of bad fit, however good your recruitment practices. We’re taking organisations with 20,000 employees in some cases! And while the individual is dealt with they can’t recruit a replacement. It’s unworkable.

Indeed. Any decent and pragmatic HR bod would agree all the processes and procedures in the world cannot guarantee a good recruit. If they don't agree I'd assume they are quite new into HR where its still all great and rose tinted.

Currently companies might be willing to take a risk on someone because there's less onerous processes to go through to dismiss. Not so much with day 1 rights. PIPs alone can take at least 3 months for a quickie one, meanwhile you've got potential dead weight dragging others down.