King's Speech-worker's rights..

[CurlewKate]

Apparently, the government is proposing legislation that will make protection from unfair dismissal a day one right- not as it currently is and kicking in after 2 years. Huge if true.....

Didn't ignore it, it just wasn't relevant or added anything. Of course, one would assume HR people are skilled and experienced. Legislation doesnt suddenly change because you're dealing with a Quantity Surveyor one minute to a cleaner the next, so being a public sector HR doesn't make them any more knowledgeable than another.

No "urgh public sector" in my tone, sorry if you assumed that's what people think, I've been public sector HR so know its very tick boxy, or was, sounds like it still is when I speak to my ex colleague (now a HRD, who is even more derogatory than most others I know about this proposal)

not sure why you've put a little eyebrow emoji? I'm not the one who tried to explain HR based off one discussion with a HoD? How odd.

And you’re still missing my point and suggesting I’ve said or implied things I haven’t. I’m out. Have a good day.

I haven't given any examples of dodgy practices so I'm not sure what you mean.

But, I think there may be more sham redundancies from the truly dodgy employers. The ones who don't want to be dodgy I think will opt for the examples I gave, probably more will just go for FTC or temp to perm (which will knock on to mortgages, lending etc)

and @cardibach is off

Off from responding to a poster who is (deliberately?) missing my point repeatedly. Don’t worry, I won’t abandon you, you seem to have got very attached.

didn’t think you would
welcome back! 🌷

Why? It dosn't stop you getting rid of someone who is unsuitable - it just means that you have to follow the correct process to terminate their employment. Surely this can only be a good thing?

Read again. Carefully and slowly.
I. Didn’t. Say. I. Was. Going.
I merely said there was no point responding to that poster on that point any more. I’m beginning to think you fall into the same ‘waste of my time’ category.

Bad news for bad employers. For example P&O Ferries. The then government made a lot of noise about that at the time but did nothing. And they still retained their government contracts.

but that takes time

if it is apparent within very short space of time that employee is not suitable whether performance and / or fit with company…. a probation period works well. Giving both the employee and the employer the opp to quickly cut ties.

I think this legislation should be introduced as a protection that kicks in day 1 probation is passed

A reversal to where we were 10-12 years ago before the Tories tinkered.

i do, so ignore me

for some reason you make me chuckle 🤷

@cardibach a teacher on their summer holidays perhaps?

@InvestinITMN - apologies if I am wrong but I undesratood that the probationary period part of a contract would still apply?

Genuinely not deliberately missing whatever your point was.

I just disagreed, it happens!

That would be amazing

ah so day 1 is day 1 post successful passing probation?

that sounds very sensible to me

i suspect will see rise in length of probation periods so perhaps needs to be additional legislation meaning a maximum of 1 year probation

It’s never been a day 1 right. The least has been 6 months.

Day 1 is day 1. Probation doesn’t have a legal basis and lots of companies don’t use it as it’s pretty meaningless.

It’s standard in the sector I know. And not meaningless as it is a way for either party to just end employment.

Not sure if a new law changes that however

Absolutely brilliant! The tills will ring endlessly with lawyers bills.

Threat of the ET is a goldmine for vexatious claimants. This can only be a good thing for the idle and for chancers. Employers generally settle rather than face the cost of proceedings.

Top work Kier!

It doesn’t. The current 2 years allows employment to be ended for any non-discriminatory reason in the first 2 years. Probation does diddly squat to this.

(HR professional of 20+ years)

But this is “chat”, where understanding employment law isn’t a pre-requisite to advising on it. <sigh>

Will a probationary period still apply with the new law?

It doesn’t affect me just trying to understand what’s being proposed

What I think is outrageous, is that Kier has just made our King announce these policies, where has been the opportunity for us to have a say in them and vote on them.