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I've met my first ever double double barrel named child!

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llamajohn · 10/07/2024 19:00

I wondered when it would happen, when two people with double barrel names have a child.

I met Alice Smith-Jones Williams-Taylor*

*Not real names, but you get the gist ... In fact her surname is actually longer than the above!

OP posts:
samarrange · 10/07/2024 22:50

MaidOfAle · 10/07/2024 22:24

Computer systems rejecting your name is a huge deal.

I know someone whose first name is the same as their last. Full details would be outing, but imagine if Elton John(+) had a son called John. He regularly gets rejected by computer systems that insist he must be making a mistake when he enters his first and last names the same.

(+) Elton Hercules John is the actual legal name, not just the stage name, of the artist whose birth name was Reginald Dwight. But if you prefer, imagine that he had a son called Dwight.

DoAClassicCamel · 10/07/2024 22:50

Mine and DHs surnames would be awful double barrelled let alone double double barrelling it.

Subfusc · 10/07/2024 22:52

DoAClassicCamel · 10/07/2024 22:50

Mine and DHs surnames would be awful double barrelled let alone double double barrelling it.

So obviously you’re keeping your name and giving it to your children?

TribeofFfive · 10/07/2024 22:53

Notaflippinclue · 10/07/2024 19:11

It was a stigma on our council estate 50 years ago - everyone presumed parents weren't married

This! I don’t assume pretentious at all. Quite the opposite. 3 lots of unmarried parents is what I’d assume. I work in a school in an extremely disadvantaged area and we have quite a few of these. One poor girl got saddled with a double barrelled first name too.

DoAClassicCamel · 10/07/2024 22:56

Subfusc · 10/07/2024 22:52

So obviously you’re keeping your name and giving it to your children?

Hell no, I hated my surname. As a child I used to wish my surname was Smith. I was teased because of my surname.

LondonFox · 10/07/2024 22:57

MeAgainAndAgain · 10/07/2024 19:04

Names that long often don’t fit on computer systems either.

83 is calling for you.
You can make any field a paragraph of text if you wish so.

From someone who managed system development.

MaidOfAle · 10/07/2024 23:06

LondonFox · 10/07/2024 22:57

83 is calling for you.
You can make any field a paragraph of text if you wish so.

From someone who managed system development.

That doesn't mean that the devs will do that.

From someone who did web application development and inherited a lot of bad code.

Foxblue · 10/07/2024 23:12

NewName24 · 10/07/2024 22:26

- sure, a few computer systems might spit the name back out but is that really a big deal in the grand scheme of things?

Of course it is. It will create huge problems.

No child has lasting trauma from a tricky name.

They really do you know.
I'm guessing you've not worked with many people with some of the names I've seen.

It might, sure. But all resolvable problems presumably.

And oh that's interesting, so you've met people with actual trauma due to their names? As in, a seriously distressing lasting negative impact, as opposed to an annoyance akin to having to wear glasses of a high prescription and pay £££ to get new ones every few years your entire life while your sister doesn't need glasses at all, as a comparison.

User6761 · 10/07/2024 23:14

I did a piece of work with colleagues in a South American country. On their electronic forms that we had to complete, it was assumed everyone would have two surnames. So in the (unusual for them) scenario that you only have one, they just duplicate it. So I was listed as something like 'Claire Smith Smith'.

Nanny0gg · 10/07/2024 23:19

pontipinemum · 10/07/2024 19:59

Both parents pass on 1 surname to their children I think the fathers name is usually the 2nd part of the surname, so John's mam in this case would have been Smith.

So Mary Ryan Murphy married John Smith Roche

Their child is Sarah Murphy Roche. I think!

I had though parents here that were double barrel double barrel would choose 2 surnames between them.

I'd hate that - my name with my DH's would sound absolutely ridiculous!

Shakespeareandi · 10/07/2024 23:26

I don't understand people who think this is sooo funny. What if they marry someone with a double - barrel name. The "child" is then an adult and can choose what they want. Pick one name, keep their own name ( they don't need to take their husband's name, you know) pick a new name. It's not difficult. And people with unusual spellings, unusual names or foreign names, yes they may have to spell their names a lot. Same as you, if you moved abroad. Wouldn't it be very boring if all parents named their children the most common names. But I don't feel sorry or pity the endless Charlotte, Isla, Matilda, Oliver, Harry's either. All names are fine, no need to pity anyone. Many countries don't follow the english way of changing your name for your husband's name. Surely, most people are aware of that.

TheFireflies · 10/07/2024 23:26

AcrobaticCardigan · 10/07/2024 22:19

And then they work at a legal firm or something. I have visions of a phone call:

“Hi there, its s Tom Smith-Jones Brown-White Mason-Thompson Lewis-Hutchinson, I’m calling from Langley-Smith Robertson-Jones-Thompson-Middleton Anderson-Michael…”

By which point you’ve already been billed £200 for their time

LondonFox · 10/07/2024 23:30

MaidOfAle · 10/07/2024 23:06

That doesn't mean that the devs will do that.

From someone who did web application development and inherited a lot of bad code.

It is literally just putting a number in max characters space.
I cannot imagine important institution that does not have system where it is not a screen manager type wherr intern can do it.
And it would not be devs call lol

viques · 11/07/2024 00:58

I am feeling very deprived. I don’t even have a middle name, though when I was little I used to tell people I did, and that it was Rose - my sister had a middle name and I didn’t see why I shouldn’t have one too.

Pictureperfect9 · 11/07/2024 01:42

If a typical family
consists of one man, one woman & 2.2 children the odds are they will all have the same surname. Anything else is atypical, acceptable & nobody elses busines to either object to or criticise. Personally I'd hate to have a different surname to my children.Our children have my maiden name as their middle name. We all have DH surname.

sashh · 11/07/2024 03:54

I worked with someone who had a double barreled name. She'd taken her husband's name but didn't really like it.

Then they did some family research and her husband's grandfather had a double barrelled name, but when he went in to the army in WWI only officers were allowed double barrelled names so they dropped the first name.

So work colleague and husband reinstated the double barrelled name.

I think the naming traditions arte interesting. Another work colleague worked in Kuwait for decades and her husband was arabic, there you keep your own name when you marry but then you change your name when you have a son (I don't think it applies to girls) you then take the equivalent of 'mother of son's name'.

Her children had their own name, then their father's name and then their grandfather's name.

So if the grandfather was John James Smith, the father would be Fred John James and the child would be Jason Fred John.

Then there is the Pakistani and Bangladeshi tradition of married women all being known as Begum.

trainboundfornowhere · 11/07/2024 09:29

The mother of one of my brothers friends (I’ll call her Jane)has been married three times and divorced twice. Jane had children only with husband number two and is still married to husband number but still uses husband number one’s last name. It raised a few eyebrows amongst the more straight laced but here though as long as the correct paperwork is filled out we can within reason choose to use any name we want.

spiceymicey · 11/07/2024 14:08

This thread is an example of people getting their knickers in a twist over something that has no impact on their lives at all. Why care so much about what other people do? It just screams insecurity. Just do you and let others be, no need to judge others name choices.

PasteldeNata78 · 11/07/2024 14:26

spiceymicey · 11/07/2024 14:08

This thread is an example of people getting their knickers in a twist over something that has no impact on their lives at all. Why care so much about what other people do? It just screams insecurity. Just do you and let others be, no need to judge others name choices.

Well it is somewhat amusing. People often double barrel to prove a point but don't consider what happens further down the line.
Unlike people from countries which actually have long names following a specific convention.

Reugny · 11/07/2024 14:45

viques · 11/07/2024 00:58

I am feeling very deprived. I don’t even have a middle name, though when I was little I used to tell people I did, and that it was Rose - my sister had a middle name and I didn’t see why I shouldn’t have one too.

Change your name by Deed Poll and give yourself the middle name "Rose". You can get your work colleagues to sign the declaration which you can get off the internet.

Only thing is you would then have to pay to update your driving license and passport with your new middle name, then you would have to update all your bank accounts so your name is recognised.

(This is why I said up thread some of my friends ensured they gave their children the same number of names as their half-siblings. They also gave them the same type of names. )

imnotwhoyouthinkiam · 11/07/2024 15:10

Reugny · 11/07/2024 14:45

Change your name by Deed Poll and give yourself the middle name "Rose". You can get your work colleagues to sign the declaration which you can get off the internet.

Only thing is you would then have to pay to update your driving license and passport with your new middle name, then you would have to update all your bank accounts so your name is recognised.

(This is why I said up thread some of my friends ensured they gave their children the same number of names as their half-siblings. They also gave them the same type of names. )

I changed my name by deed poll last year and added a middle name. It's been a middle name for 3 generations, and was the first name of the generation before that.
My parents hated it so didn't pass it down and that always bothered me. So I added it.

DramaLlamaBangBang · 11/07/2024 15:19

MassiveOvaryaction · 10/07/2024 20:05

But that's not what the op says. This is double-double (quadruple?) barrelling.

And when this dc marries how many names will their dc end up with?!

I decided not to double barrel, but now regret it, and my children would like to have my surname.
It's not this problematicvinnither vountries- Spanish people don't have 20 surnames! Conversations like this on mn are usually an excuse for people to be bitchy about people presumed to be chavvy or women who want their children to have their own surname.

spiceymicey · 11/07/2024 15:39

I agree @DramaLlamaBangBang it's just an excuse for people to be judgmental/justify their own choices in a bitchy way.

Reugny · 11/07/2024 15:53

PasteldeNata78 · 11/07/2024 14:26

Well it is somewhat amusing. People often double barrel to prove a point but don't consider what happens further down the line.
Unlike people from countries which actually have long names following a specific convention.

There is nothing to prove down the line.

Adults with double barrelled names who have children can decide themselves what last name(s) to give their own children.

The parents who have quadruple-barrelled their child's last name are proving they like all their names.

Though in the case of the Spanish and Portuguese people I met with more than 2 last names it was clear why as their names mean something.

MassiveOvaryaction · 11/07/2024 16:55

DramaLlamaBangBang · 11/07/2024 15:19

I decided not to double barrel, but now regret it, and my children would like to have my surname.
It's not this problematicvinnither vountries- Spanish people don't have 20 surnames! Conversations like this on mn are usually an excuse for people to be bitchy about people presumed to be chavvy or women who want their children to have their own surname.

Edited

Don't know why you quoted me to make that point? Can't see where I was bitchy or judgemental Confused