Ds, 19, what are these symptoms??

[medianewbie]

Violent vomiting for hours overnight so thought just bad dose of D&V. But very sore chest. Sore neck (glands like 2 hardboiled eggs). No temp but shivery.
Pale, clammy, massive headache not resolving with ibuprofen / paracetamol. Any ideas what it might be (covid?)
We are due on hols in 12 days (1st flight ever) & would really like him well.

I've kept schtum about the anxiety.
They're going to do an ultrasound of the heart & keep him in & repeat bloods until Tryponin comes down. We'll see.

With all of the heart injuries reported from the covid vaccine you’re doing the right thing by insisting on every test going.

the infection itself is the greater risk.

but anyway, good that he has someone to advocate for him!

Less than 10% of heart attacks occur in people under 40 and only a fraction of those are teenagers. And sudden cardiac arrest is different from heart attack.

Can I just say OP, do not to let one doctor swoop in and undermine the plan of the previous doctor to do the PE scan.

If the ultrasound doesn't show what the issue is, insist that the PE scan is done. Sometimes we have to advocate forcefully for our DC in hospital.

I took DD to A&E in recent months. The A&E doctor wanted to rule out bone infection. Orthopedics doctor swooped in and with no further investigation said 'not bone infection' and sent us home. It was a bone infection. It was a serious error of judgment and we were lucky to get away with it. Went back to A&E the following day and the A&E doctor just started DD on the treatment for bone infection straight away. She was very ill and I constantly play over in my mind what might have happened had I not taken her back when I did.

Unlikely doesn't mean it doesn't happen and making a dismissive sweeping statement like the doctor made would concern me that they're not investigating properly if they've already decided it never happens.

Still doesn’t make it right for a doctor to say what they said to the OP. I don’t think this thread is the type for arguments anyway…

@medianewbie i think you’re aware that the doctor was trying to reassure you, and what he was wasn’t entirely true. It is still unlikely that your Ds had had a heart attack. I’m so sorry you and your Ds are dealing with this. So very very tough.

Really not trying to start an argument, but your statement wasn’t accurate.

I agree that if the ultrasound isn't conclusive push for the chest CT, my husbands pulmonary embolism did not show up on chest x-ray but was widespread small clots on the CT.

Also myocarditis is not always evident in very mild cases on ultrasound, MRI is often useful too.

This website is good at explaining and giving advice.

https://www.myheart.org.uk/myocarditis/

How can anxiety cause a high temperature and swollen glands, that’s a load of rubbish!!! Ask for a cardiologist referral. Do not allow them to fob you off.

Say ‘I am not happy’ or ‘ I want further tests’ if you can.

I've nothing to add clinically but I just wanted to offer a handhold. I hope you have a clearer picture soon of what's going on.

Well done for trusting your instincts and getting him seen, OP. I had viral myocarditis when I was a teenager with very similar symptoms and made a full recovery. There’s also something called stress induced myocardial stunning which causes very raised troponin but reverses itself - the physical stress of the vomiting and associated distress could have caused it, so lots of options other than the really scary ones which the hospital team will be working to rule out. Hopefully you’ll be back home with him soon, he’ll be well and all this will be behind you. Best of luck with the divorce as well, both you and your DS and DD must be experiencing a lot of stress at the moment.

Apologies, I completely misread your reply and thought they had diagnosed him with anxiety now. So sorry about that and hope you get some answers today. All the best.

Or cardiac MRI which has less of a radiation issue.

If hospital don’t offer which they probably won’t I’d get one done privately.

Hope you get some answers and hes all recovered and well and enjoy your holiday 😊

My teen had a PE the doctors were shocked and kept reassuring me not to worry, (although was i calm but they kept saying that which made me worry! ) after the xray they sent him for a ct scan which showed lots of little clots so he was in resus for 24 hours while being given blood thinner and then back to a and e for4 days as no beds.
I spent 4 days sitting on a chair next to him. Doctors kept asking how it was he had clots if there was any history in the family etc nope nothing.
He had been ill for 2 weeks then got really breathless so we took him to a and e. Its been 6 months finally about to see a specialist to see what might be the issue. They said it could be a one off due to dehydration and being unwell just before but very rare.

It’s like people haven’t lived through covid and the risk of blood clots and PE’s being bizarrely denied when they are easy to screen for. So crazy that doctor cancelled the scan to look for a PE that was accepted by the radiologist as being clinically relevant to do. You are a great mum taking him in

Quite. Covid is a vascular illness as much as a respiratory one. And there’s evidence that the vaccine version of spike protein can cause similar problems particularly in young men.

Sending positive thoughts your way. I hope he gets a diagnosis and appropriate treatment quickly.

Really sorry to hear this. I had myocarditis after a Covid vaccine (please don’t anybody leap on me for being an anti-vaxxer, I simply took it and got injured, then officially diagnosed). I mention the cause in my case as the treatment may have been different.

Very high troponin. Big red flags in the tests were also abnormal ecg and reduced LVEF. MRI is important for seeing the extent of it, whether there is scarring and when the inflammation has gone. If it is myocarditis ask a specialist about Colchicin and Prednisone.

Has anyone mentioned Myocarditis? I had this in January, it can happen with/after a viral infection (incl covid) and is a known side effect of the Covid jab in young men.

Sorry I was reading the thread upside down and now I see people have!
I had it not after covid or vaccine, it was about 3 months after my last covid vaccine so probably not related.

And women, though they are often brushed off as having anxiety. I got it after a Covid vaccination. Have met other women with similar injuries.

@medianewbie sending you and your DS best wishes 🙏 💐
You've had a tough night, I hope you've managed to get some rest.

We almost got a room just now - but we did get 2 cups of tea (& Ds is drinking one - 1st since 1am Sat)