Pip claim help

[Whatnownownow]

My adult son has just heard back to see if he will be awarded pip and they've awarded him 0 points for everything which seems crazy. I was there for the assessment on the phone and the report even says that he has difficulties with certain things.... No mention of him saying that I have to support him with lots of the criteria... Then still awards 0 anyway?! Is this common?

He doesn't want me to say, but along those lines with accompanying other things

He's 33 now, whether he did his gcses nearly 20 years ago seems a weird thing to take into account... He's always needed me to feed him so he'll eat and nit forget (not spoon feed, prepare food and prompt)

It’s very rare for the decisionmaker to disagree with the assessor’s report. It can happen, but I’ve never seen it and I’ve done hundreds of these.

We are based in surgeries in order to help patients with issues that aren't medical - housing, benefits, referrals to social care etc.
Ask at your surgery if you have one

@Whatnownownow i totally understand my son is autistic although I'm not sure what ur son has it sounds similar with the need for prompting. Its wrong pip see it as there's no way an 18 year old or 33 yr old needs prompted and it does sound crazy and believe me I wish they didn't but its part of their disability it makes no sense to me either why my son needs such high support and prompting but he does. In school they mask it and they conform at home different story will wear same clothes daily forget to eat as hyperfocused they are completly out of routine sadly world of pip seems to look at but they managed in school. I think its a massive lack of awareness and understanding of these disabilities ADHD is another one misunderstood in the eyes of pip. If someone is employed they also will not get awarded it yet at home as u well know the struggle is there constantly as it is there safe space. I wish you luck whatever you chose to do.

Fightback aren’t a charity. The company who does the forms (Disability forms) is owned by their directors but a private limited company (who make a hugeprofit ) and they also have lots of hidden charges.

Additionally, Their form appts are filled in over a 30 mins appt with their advocates doing 6 some days Pip professionals allocate upto 16 hours per form & their advocates never do more than one a day. They might be cheaper but there is a reason.

Did your son submit supporting evidence with his claim?
You are most likely to be successful if you submit evidence from health professional about how his condition affects his everyday functioning.
Is there anyone you can get reports from?

DWP will generally expect people with a level of disability which qualifies for PIP to have/had some involvement with health or social services or voluntary sector organisations who can verify their level of functioning

We submitted 2 medical professional reports

Did the medical reports specifically detail what help your DS needs with day to day activities (as opposed to just confirming a diagnosis)?
Because if so then the assessors have completely ignored medical assessments of your DS's level of functioning and that's more unusual. So I'd definitely be appealing that and he may well win the appeal

One example he's comfortable with me sharing is a report of an anxiety disorder by a psychiatrist that mentions driving and how he's terrified and I have to drive him anywhere other than our immediate area as public transport completely overwhelms him nd the decision letter says he can drive and grip... Its just really odd

Assessors can be smiling assassins….never make the mistake of becoming too comfortable with them…..that said I have never had an issue with one ….so maybe take as you find….did you include a couple of real life examples for each descriptor …this is key I’ve found…..and the need to put although you can do an action ….it’s whether you can do is safely, reliably and in a timely manner you have to put this each time…..did you include ehcp? Or psychologists reports ….things that give an idea of difficulties…..I have had PIP for years …..but my DD has only recently been awarded…..she supplied loads of evidence….X-rays….scan results…..hospital clinic letters…..repeat prescriptions…..GP records…whatever you have….if it’s not relevant they will discard but send anyway ….,.she put 3 examples for each descriptor and timings for completing activities and adverse things that have happened when she attempted an activity……she has 2 young children so was a bit worried they would hold that against her but seems not….does your son work OP ? Not that this has to be an issue ….I work and still get PIP…but you have to make sure what you have written and said isn’t in conflict with your employment….good luck…..very few MRs are overturned so don’t be disheartened if you have to go to tribunal

Benefits and work and pip info site are useful.

Only to be devils advocate….but which descriptor are you trying to achieve with thsi? Because I’m not sure it fits with any ….if he can travel in your immeadiate area ….then it doesn’t meet ‘ cannot undertake any journey due to psychological distress’ …..im not trying to say he’s not entitled….just to get you thinking before you do the MR

definately and so is Scope

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Sorry to hear this, 0 points feels pants. Appeal. Ask for a copy of the conversation,

None... He didn't say he had mobility issues either on the phone or on the form. They just wrote in a random sentence about as he can drive and grip he's fine and capable

Yes we did give examples and included the key words of need prompting with x every day, sometimes has weeks without eating more than a packet of crisps if I'm away etc.

This is the bit I find so strange. I would have thought they'd have at least given him 2 for food issues. I know you need 8 but 0 or 2 makes no difference to them surely

The wording is ‘an unfamiliar journey’ or ‘a familiar journey’ (descriptor d/f) rather than ‘any journey’ (as in descriptor e), so it isn’t necessary to show that a Claimant is unable to undertake any familiar or unfamiliar journey at all to meet d or f.

Claimants who can only manage familiar journeys unsupported are eligible for points in a11 under descriptor d.

Remember too that we are considering what the claimant can manage on the majority of days, so if they can only manage to go out in the local area, say, twice a week, they could meet f.

They may score descriptor b if they need prompting and encouragement

Actually that must be it. The unfamiliar journey section but I don't know why they mentioned that he can drive so he's capable in the daily living section. It has no baring on forgetting to eat

Given what you say about driving, op, I would expect your ds to be eligible for mobility under planning and following a journey (a11).

They always do that, op, mention the driving. It doesn’t stand up in law. Your ds sounds eligible and if your MR isn’t successful I’d expect him to be successful at tribunal as long as you have the evidence to support your claim.

What's the driving thing about? It seems so strange to me

Does your son drive anywhere OP? Did he say he drove?

Yes, he said he drives locally into town and around here but that I have to take him any further or anywhere unknown

Does your son work OP ?