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Children dying in cars due to heat

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Soubriquet · 22/06/2024 17:49

I know people say accidents happen, but I genuinely can’t understand how people leave their kids in the car and forget about them.

I mean, even when I was so exhausted I forgot my own name, I still had my children in my forefront of my mind.

It’s a heartbreakingly sad and I do feel sorry for the parents when they discover they left their kids in the car but I still don’t understand how.

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Speaking · 23/06/2024 16:51

That article is a fantastic read. Devastating though.

ElmTree22 · 23/06/2024 17:03

User1974 · 22/06/2024 19:06

https://archive.ph/5wGkg
This is the best news article I have ever read - it is profoundly shocking but taught me so so much.

Harrowing

SexSectionNameChange · 23/06/2024 17:10

whyhavetheygotsomany · 23/06/2024 15:56

No it really isn't easy.

Did you read the article?

Blimpton · 23/06/2024 17:15

I’m so used to having a kid glued to me, when I’m out shopping alone I suddenly have a mini panic because my brain goes where is the child?! Then a second later I remember she’s at school. I don’t think DH has the same awareness though.

CatamaranViper · 23/06/2024 17:20

I'm sure when DS was born there was a story in the papers of a dad who was supposed to be doing nursery drop off (which his partner usually did) and had an emergency work call so drove straight there to deal with it. By the time he remembered, the baby had died in the back of the car.

I never forgot DS in the car but I did once leave him in his cot. I had taken the car seat down to the car, driven off and got half way down the street before I noticed in the mirror that the seat was empty. Even then I was more confused before it hit me what I'd done.

SalmonWellington · 23/06/2024 17:30

Lots of others have cited that astonishing pulitzer prize winning article. One of the few things I've read that genuinely 180 degrees changed my mind on something. Haven't been able to reread it in full since having kids but these sections - my God:

'What kind of person forgets a baby?
The wealthy do, it turns out. And the poor, and the middle class. Parents of all ages and ethnicities do it. Mothers are just as likely to do it as fathers. It happens to the chronically absent-minded and to the fanatically organized, to the college-educated and to the marginally literate. In the last 10 years, it has happened to a dentist. A postal clerk. A social worker. A police officer. An accountant. A soldier. A paralegal. An electrician. A Protestant clergyman. A rabbinical student. A nurse. A construction worker. An assistant principal. It happened to a mental health counselor, a college professor and a pizza chef. It happened to a pediatrician. It happened to a rocket scientist.'

And this:

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Then there is the Chattanooga, Tenn., business executive who must live with this: His motion-detector car alarm went off, three separate times, out there in the broiling sun. But when he looked out, he couldn’t see anyone tampering with the car. So he remotely deactivated the alarm and went calmly back to work.'

And this most of all -

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“The quality of prior parental care seems to be irrelevant,” he said. “The important factors that keep showing up involve a combination of stress, emotion, lack of sleep and change in routine, where the basal ganglia is trying to do what it’s supposed to do, and the conscious mind is too weakened to resist. What happens is that the memory circuits in a vulnerable hippocampus literally get overwritten, like with a computer program. Unless the memory circuit is rebooted such as if the child cries, or, you know, if the wife mentions the child in the back it can entirely disappear.”

The quality of prior parental care is irrelevant. It doesn't matter how good a person you are.

Soubriquet · 23/06/2024 18:22

It is horrible. I do feel severe sympathy for the parents who have done this. I bet they never forgive themselves, and I feel that they should be able to also. However, at the same time, I feel desperately sorry for the children for dying in such a horrible way.

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Domoda · 23/06/2024 18:25

I would have thought that it would be possible for car seat manufacturers to make it so that when you strap a child in to the seat, it activates an app or something on your phone which sets off an alarm if you exit the car, but the car seat buckle is not undone.
A tech solution like that could work?

Marmose · 23/06/2024 18:38

It’s a lot less likely to happen here becasue we do t drive places on autopilot in the same way that you can in the States where the roads are clear and easy to drive.

If you had to drop a preschooler, in a change to your normal routine, you’d be extremely conscious of that fact and the extra time and inconvenience it would be adding to your schedule. You’d be actively thinking about parking, traffic and all the other issues associated with the drop off.

horumforaforum · 23/06/2024 18:48

I think it's more common in larger cars too - which are (or at least were) more common in America.

PantsAcademy · 23/06/2024 19:03

DiscoBeat · 22/06/2024 19:14

It would be so easy for car manufacturers to have a 'child seat' setting, so that you programme the weight of the car seat and if it's any heavier than the empty weight a loud alarm goes off.

If you read the article that @User1974 posted, someone invented a device that would perform this function around 5 years before the article was written. No companies would manufacture it, because they'd be held liable if it malfunctioned and a child died. And theories were that most people wouldn't buy it, because they would think "I wouldn't need that, I'd never forget my child".
Also it discussed a case where a parent had a movement sensor inside his car, which activated 3 times during the course of the day. He looked out of his office window, couldn't see any intruders (to the best of his knowledge, the only reason for the alarm being activated) so deactivated it.

It's heartbreaking. I don't hold myself above the parents it has happened to, just because I'm lucky enough for it to never have happened to me.

elp30 · 23/06/2024 19:04

comedycentral · 23/06/2024 16:50

My car tells me to check the backseat when I leave, so I guess it's common enough for cars to have this new feature.

Mine does too:

Children dying in cars due to heat
AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 23/06/2024 19:35

The trouble with reminders which come up automatically is that people ignore them on autopilot as well, especially if they've had a car that nags them about everything for longer than they have had a baby.

InTheRainOnATrain · 23/06/2024 19:37

Domoda · 23/06/2024 18:25

I would have thought that it would be possible for car seat manufacturers to make it so that when you strap a child in to the seat, it activates an app or something on your phone which sets off an alarm if you exit the car, but the car seat buckle is not undone.
A tech solution like that could work?

It exists. Cybex make it and it’s the chest clip of their infant and toddler harnessed seats on sale in the US. Mine used to tell me that I was freezing DD all the time (Chicago winter) and it was actually pretty annoying.

Lougle · 23/06/2024 19:46

Would it be a good idea to say that you have to do all seatbelts up every time you leave the car? Then you just couldn't leave a child.

RegimentalSturgeon · 23/06/2024 20:00

Accidents happen.
But also, this is something it would be easy to make look accidental. I have vague memories of a US case, probably early 2000s, where it was suggested this was what had been done.

CatMumSlave · 23/06/2024 20:58

I do stupid shit. More so now than when my kids were younger luckily. Thankfully I've never caused them accidental harm or had to take them to an and e but that's just down to luck.

Horrific for everyone.

Soubriquet · 24/06/2024 17:31

A brand new baby girl has now died

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13555347/Baby-girl-dies-hot-car-San-Diego-adopted.html?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2hENJddDfCSNvajZCd8KTJV-1Td-3BhGs81UyU1ICMMj1EcUcI6S8VbiQ_aem_xI4MjRddN_joMnNLYvb1JA%5D%5D&ito=social-facebook]]

it has a double whammy too. Not only are the adoptive parents going to be distraught, but so are the biological since they were promised photos and updates

PICTURED: Baby girl who died after being left in hot car 'for hours'

Diana Sofia De Los Santos was found unresponsive in the SUV outside her home in Santee, San Diego, two months after her parents Romer and Jayson De Los Santos adopted her.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13555347/Baby-girl-dies-hot-car-San-Diego-adopted.html?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2hENJddDfCSNvajZCd8KTJV-1Td-3BhGs81UyU1ICMMj1EcUcI6S8VbiQ_aem_xI4MjRddN_joMnNLYvb1JA%5D%5D&ito=social-facebook%5D%5D

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HollyKnight · 24/06/2024 17:47

Soubriquet · 24/06/2024 17:31

A brand new baby girl has now died

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13555347/Baby-girl-dies-hot-car-San-Diego-adopted.html?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2hENJddDfCSNvajZCd8KTJV-1Td-3BhGs81UyU1ICMMj1EcUcI6S8VbiQ_aem_xI4MjRddN_joMnNLYvb1JA%5D%5D&ito=social-facebook]]

it has a double whammy too. Not only are the adoptive parents going to be distraught, but so are the biological since they were promised photos and updates

This one is bizarre to me. They were at home. Who doesn't check on a 2-month-old baby for hours? Even if you thought she was in her cot in another room, would you not look at the monitor now and again to make sure baby looked ok? She wasn't found until after midnight which means no one had attempted to feed, change, or put her to bed that evening.

ButterCrackers · 24/06/2024 19:19

HollyKnight · 24/06/2024 17:47

This one is bizarre to me. They were at home. Who doesn't check on a 2-month-old baby for hours? Even if you thought she was in her cot in another room, would you not look at the monitor now and again to make sure baby looked ok? She wasn't found until after midnight which means no one had attempted to feed, change, or put her to bed that evening.

How awful. Did they feed and look after their pets? Probably so why didn’t they think of feeding their baby?

LlynTegid · 24/06/2024 19:23

The law should be changed to a simple one. You leave a child or a dog in a vehicle without open windows for more than a certain length of time (let's say 15 minutes) and you are guilty of an offence. Regardless of any fine, community sentence or imprisonment, you should never be allowed to hold a driving licence again, ever for life. Regardless of how it affects your livelihood.

ButterCrackers · 24/06/2024 19:25

LlynTegid · 24/06/2024 19:23

The law should be changed to a simple one. You leave a child or a dog in a vehicle without open windows for more than a certain length of time (let's say 15 minutes) and you are guilty of an offence. Regardless of any fine, community sentence or imprisonment, you should never be allowed to hold a driving licence again, ever for life. Regardless of how it affects your livelihood.

Agree. Include the infirm in that as well.

NaughtyBoyGeorgeMichaelJacksonBrown · 24/06/2024 19:54

Soubriquet · 24/06/2024 17:31

A brand new baby girl has now died

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13555347/Baby-girl-dies-hot-car-San-Diego-adopted.html?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2hENJddDfCSNvajZCd8KTJV-1Td-3BhGs81UyU1ICMMj1EcUcI6S8VbiQ_aem_xI4MjRddN_joMnNLYvb1JA%5D%5D&ito=social-facebook]]

it has a double whammy too. Not only are the adoptive parents going to be distraught, but so are the biological since they were promised photos and updates

This story is absolutely tragic but also very hard to understand. Who doesn't watch a brand new newborn obsessively, especially when newly adopted. Two parents, a sibling, neighbours, in laws all around. Could be more to it.

However, in general, like a pp said, there but for the grace of God etc. I'm an atheist but you get the meaning.

I don't make mistakes or forget things...until I do. Then I look back and can't understand how I did it. I remember waking up with my newborn squished up to me and no memory of bringing them in to the bed at least twice. We were lucky.

Horrible, freak accidents do happen but there has definitely been more than one of these cases that have more to them.

Yes, innocent until proven guilty but to have FCS as a regular defence isn't necessary.

Soubriquet · 24/06/2024 20:16

It does seem very negligent doesn’t it? I mean, I don’t know a single parent who put their newborn baby in a nursery to sleep alone. It would be in a bassinet in the same room, or in a room with a baby monitor with one parent obsessively checking to make sure the monitor was working.

Now I know dads can be very attentive (my dh was) but I wonder if the fact it was two men and not a woman recovering from birth, meant it slipped their minds. I have nothing against same sex adoption before anyone accuses me of being homophobic but it does make me wonder

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