So they want to replace PIP/DLA money with vouchers?

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I don't understand it. It is really worrying me.

This payment helps pay for so many things. I doubt these vouchers would cover that, or give the freedom to shop or buy from where you want or need to.

I included DLA because it's really just the child's version of PIP. Eventually, my profoundly disabled child will be an adult and will have to be on PIP

Is there really any truth in this? I can't see any articles directly quoting Labour or Conservative. I might just be in such a worry that I have missed that bit

Apologies if there is another thread on this too. I am happy to get this one taken off if that's the case

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/pip-disability-benefits-plan-rishi-government-critics-b2537209.html

It's this sort of stupid, performative cruelty that has made the nation want to replace the disgusting Tory government.

This was severeal years ago, DS is 17 now. Our local CCG (at the time) put the cap on, so that no child over 8 would be able to recieve speech therapy for problems that did not involve swallowing (we did recieve Speech Therapy input for that, as my son has dysphasia).

I'm more concerned about the abuse by so called assessors.

I found my report yesterday. I scored 0 on following a journey because I apparently can catch a bus...ignoring the countless times I've flagged down the wrong bus because I can't read the numbers. I got it looked at again and scored 12 points on mobility.

Likewise, although in fairness I think some of them are incompetent rather than malicious.

Wow that’s terrible.
My son is now 23, so he was getting speech therapy 15 years ago and apart from having to wait for quite some time they were very good. I’ts terrible some areas have an age cap.

Or it could be that people are using drugs and alcohol to self medicate for existing mental health conditions in a mental health system that cannot cope and does not offer early and robust support? I've lived with an addict. The roots of his addiction were very very clear. The MH came first.

Is that 0% prosecutions?

The problem is a lot of benefits aren’t used for the purpose intended
doubt this is the answer don’t honestly think there is one

No, it’s the other way round. Let’s take a typical person I see.

From a family mainly non working or minimal hours.
Leaves school, doesn’t really know what to do, signs on or does a few hours here and there.
Starts smoking weed (if they haven’t already) and stays up late gaming, or just hanging round the houses of other people in similar positions.
Slowly the drug/alcohol use ramps up, to a place where they couldn’t get a job even if they tried (they don’t try)
They develop secondary issues from their chaotic lifestyle and then become entitled to disability benefits
Many engage in petty crime and also cost a fortune through the police and criminal justice system, the NHS and they usually have a few kids they don’t pay for so the state steps in there (this hypothetical person is male)
and that’s that for them really.

Why aren't they targeting all benefits then instead of the most vulnerable in society?

Have Labour said that?

What other benefits do you suggest.

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No, it’s the other way round. Let’s take a typical person I see.

From a family mainly non working or minimal hours.
And clearly this is because they are a bunch of dossers and not because they actually have problems of their own.
Leaves school, doesn’t really know what to do, signs on or does a few hours here and there.
So if there had been early intervention and support in the school system, that could have been prevented. And of course you have provided zero evidence that there are no learning difficulties or MH issues in play.
Starts smoking weed (if they haven’t already) and stays up late gaming, or just hanging round the houses of other people in similar positions.
Slowly the drug/alcohol use ramps up, to a place where they couldn’t get a job even if they tried (they don’t try)
They develop secondary issues from their chaotic lifestyle and then become entitled to disability benefits
Many engage in petty crime and also cost a fortune through the police and criminal justice system, the NHS and they usually have a few kids they don’t pay for so the state steps in there (this hypothetical person is male)
and that’s that for them really.

And none of that proves that there are no people who fall into addiction and chaotic lifestyles because they have MH issues.

God, I hope you aren't really working in the area of welfare provision.

Yes.
They are not putting a stop on anything re benefits that the Conservatives have begun.
Have a look at their manifesto, it’s very much about cracking down.

Awaits people on here saying that most dope smoking young people are just self medicating for ADHD or similar.

“Due to the sheer number claiming.” Subtext here - this must be stopped by cutting payments.

Instead let’s consider why there are rising numbers of people claiming and try to support better preventative healthcare, an education system fit for purpose and secure employment.

All three currently failing - all three would help to prevent illness / disability.

Good points @pointythings maybe early intervention to avoid these life ‘choices’ is why the Conservatives are looking at national service and volunteering and Labour at volunteering also.

No. Not sure that’s correct.

This whole consultation is so stressful for people with serious, incurable conditions. It's causing real stress and harm to people who are already dealing with very difficult symptoms. I do however think that the balance swung too far towards people with mental health problems rather than physical ones. Having a positive mental attitude worked against me in PIP terms and I was very fortunate to have a decent, humane assessor who understood my very serious condition.

Over many many years the number of reasons to claim PIP has increased.
Which is Another reason why the bill is so huge.

I know think one of the biggest mistakes is not have mandatory straight to the landlord housing benefit

Due to underfunding of public health services, education and lack
of secure employment.

They could just sell them for a little below face value and use that money to buy drugs. Then the drug dealer and voucher dealer make a profit from their crime, the only victims are a vulnerable drug addict and the tax payers.

Have a look at the manifesto and look at everything Starmer and other Labour candidates have been saying.
They are not stopping the crack down on benefits investigations ……. That’s all types of benefits and not stopping the Conservatives ongoing work in this area.

I can’t say anything re the comment ‘ not sure that’s correct’ I’m afraid…..it is what it is