So they want to replace PIP/DLA money with vouchers?

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I don't understand it. It is really worrying me.

This payment helps pay for so many things. I doubt these vouchers would cover that, or give the freedom to shop or buy from where you want or need to.

I included DLA because it's really just the child's version of PIP. Eventually, my profoundly disabled child will be an adult and will have to be on PIP

Is there really any truth in this? I can't see any articles directly quoting Labour or Conservative. I might just be in such a worry that I have missed that bit

Apologies if there is another thread on this too. I am happy to get this one taken off if that's the case

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/pip-disability-benefits-plan-rishi-government-critics-b2537209.html

I wouldn’t think twice about supporting my child if they needed help.
Even if I had to drive far and even if it meant I’d be late for work.
I’d make it work and I’d be very surprised if parents or other family members wouldn’t help unless they were paid.

But he also earns huge amounts on anywhere that has Grosvenor in its name, the profits of which are funnelled through tax avoidance schemes like every other company.

If the govt gave a shit about balancing the books, they'd stop the offshore shell companies.

Are you a doctor? A psychiatrist? A psychologist? You certainly seem to know their situations in great detail to speak with such certainty.

Surely Labour will do that then? If not why not?

That your employer wouldn't fire you for being late is a form of privilege. I've had jobs where being 30 seconds late back from a break got a demerit and two demerits in six weeks got you fired.

My nearest family are 200 miles away. I can't "make it work" if they need care.

Or maybe repetitive strain injury, would be a more accurate description. Which of course as most people would be able to concur, would be a very disabling condition.

Would it really. Is there anything that isn’t ’very disabling’ in your eyes?

You don't get PIP on diagnosed conditions. You get it on what you are and are not able to do in terms of activities of daily living. Your stats are meaningless.

Threads like these are such an eye opener. People showing their ignorance, and unchecked privilege, all at the same time.

All politicians are pigs with their snouts in the trough. This doesn't alter the reality that balancing the books by starving the poor and depriving the disabled is morally abhorrent and, in the long run, counterproductive.

Who is starving? When was the last time someone starved to death in the U.K. due to a lack of food?

Just one I found

amp.theguardian.com/society/2020/jan/28/disabled-man-starved-to-death-after-dwp-stopped-his-benefits

I am happy to do everything for my DD, and have done so for years without claiming carers allowances etc. The issue is that she knows it is mum n dad funding and PIP would be hers so, psychologically, she can feel obligated, a failure, beholden and guilty - none of which helps with her MH issues and create another obstacle to getting her back into mainstream life. It’s a first step towards being self-sufficient as it is her money, not ours.

If anything happened to my DH, who would look after her financially? I’ve been at unpaid FT SAHM/carer so have no income aside from what I’d inherit from DH. The PIP claim means she is in the system, known, and should make applying for DLA or DSA slightly easier if that’s where she ultimately ends up. We’re hoping it will be a springboard to independence and will be something she has for a few years, maybe applying for Disabled Student Allowance (DSA) if she makes it into higher education.

I am
Actually going to write this.. although to be ABSOLUTELY clear - I am voting labour because I want this absolute bunch of charlatans out .. (some hope as am in Tory heartland)

I work in the organised crime landscape.. the amount of people involved in drug supply (county lines) and claiming PIP .. is outrageous.. MANY of them have 'mobility' which means they are actually driving teenage kids around in government funded vehicles.. because they apparently have 'severe anxiety'..

OTOH my husband was a 'hit and run' victim on a foot path .. Multiple un healed fractures after 5 years..stoma, urinary incontinence, can no longer drive due to meds to manage pain.. but on the lowest rate of PIP : go figure..

Agree.
My cousin gets the lower rate for arthritis.
She works 20hours a week in an educational environment, has three kids that she takes to sports, dance and music clubs.
She has told me she doesn’t use the money for anything to support her arthritis she uses it for clubs for the kids 🤯🤯
She might be my relative but I think that’s abuse of the system which I have said to her and she just doesn’t care……….I find it all so unfair when others wait for support due to lack of funding.

I’ve tried, they won’t listen to you. But yes.

That is a strange question to ask. I am not here to judge others. I wish that more people felt that way.

Who are you people?
What is writer’s cramp?
Writer’s cramp is a specific type of focal dystonia that affects your fingers, hand, or forearm. Focal dystonia of the hands is a neurologic movement disorder. The brain sends incorrect information to the muscles, causing involuntary, excessive muscle contractions. These signals can make your hands twist into odd postures.

How can someone with focal dystonia handle chopping vegetables, hold cutlery, hold a hot drink, be able to cook for themselves and may not be able to drive.

A hairdresser couldn't continue to cut hair, a surgeon wouldn't be able to operate and a chef couldn't prepare food.

Ha yes the old excuse - they are just lazy.

Amazing how many people with chronic health issues (and I’m not talking about MH there) are told they are just lazy because they don’t play the ‘good disabled game’ by overcoming just their issues and ‘doing things differently’.

But also teenagers can’t get PIP.
They should also be at school (until they are 18yo)
If they are getting UC, it means they already are experiencing hardship - from having no parental support (so I imagine also quite a few who were in foster care), have a child, are a child carer or are disabled. Basically one of the many determinant of health that have absolutely nothing to do with laziness.

The fact you are working closely with those young people and have those views is quite frankly worrying.

Writer's Cramp, aka task-specific focal dystonia:

Symptoms of dystonia include:

• uncontrolled muscle cramps and spasms
• parts of your body twisting into unusual positions – such as your neck being twisted to the side or your feet turning inwards
• shaking (tremors)
• uncontrolled blinking

It is not the muscle fatigue caused by writing for too long.

Likely impacts:

• You are slicing a carrot, a spasm occurs, and now you are missing part of a finger.
• You are lifting your tea to your mouth and a spasm occurs, you are now scalded and there's tea and broken china all over the floor.
• You are a man shaving and the tremors kick in, resulting in shaving cuts and having to abandon your shave and leave half your stubble where it is for the day.
• You cannot tie shoe laces.
• You cannot reliably type, ruling out most modern jobs.
• You can't drive.

And there will be more I've not thought of.

But it's not a disability, right?

So I’m guessing the idea of the vouchers is to be used to treat and support people. In some of those you list here there is the potential to be treated and supported out of their condition.
Obesity for example. It has been proven that with group support people are more likely to be successful in dieting.

Vouchers handed in for group therapy sessions seems a better way to treat a persons obesity.

Change however is never going to be received positively.

I don’t think it reaches the threshold for benefits. Not every condition can result in benefits.

What a sad state of affairs, if people want a society that fails to care for the most vulnerable and kicks people when they're already down.

Finding a few (often anecdotal) exceptions, a small minority who might be 'playing the system', is no justification for harming the majority.

It's bizarre too that so many people seem to think they're immune from illness and disability. Any one of us could find ourselves in the position of needing financial support for disability one day (unless very rich like Grosvenor).

Disabled people deserve dignity.

A previous poster mentioned abusive sex offenders. A victim of someone like that will often be too unwell to work (as a consequence of the assault). They've had their dignity taken by the criminal. Now people want them to have their dignity taken all over again? Stripping them of control and independence over how best to spend on their disability needs?

^
This

Our prime minister and many MO who despite being British, being born in the U.K. and have a job completely linked to the U.K. are no dom?

The ones who own DWP millions but don’t pay and get away with it vs people who didn’t pay their TV licence and end up in prison or more recently the carers that are told they owe thousands to DWP fir being £1 over the threshold.

And that wo talking about companies where the DWP estimation of the fraud is in billions but no one is going after them….