So they want to replace PIP/DLA money with vouchers?

[moneyinthebinthatsmrtim]

I don't understand it. It is really worrying me.

This payment helps pay for so many things. I doubt these vouchers would cover that, or give the freedom to shop or buy from where you want or need to.

I included DLA because it's really just the child's version of PIP. Eventually, my profoundly disabled child will be an adult and will have to be on PIP

Is there really any truth in this? I can't see any articles directly quoting Labour or Conservative. I might just be in such a worry that I have missed that bit

Apologies if there is another thread on this too. I am happy to get this one taken off if that's the case

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/pip-disability-benefits-plan-rishi-government-critics-b2537209.html

How would you know that?@MaryMaryVeryContrary . There will be others on PIP with even more acute needs. I wish people would bear that in mind, when they carp on about how easy it is to claim PIP. The person that I am talking about will never improve, in fact will get worse in time, yet they still have to go through the rigmarole of PIP reviews. It is wrong!

Duke of Westminster...

Please elaborate?

Is this medical equipment not supplied on the NHS or on prescription like most medical equipment is ?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5091522-hugh-grosvenor-got-a-whopping-ps4-billion-tax-break-from-the-british-taxpayer-when-he-became-duke-of-westminster-what-for?page=8&reply=135900644

Please have a read of this before you inevitably drag up the same tired untruths

Overall, so that 52% includes the refusals overturned on appeal.

Nice cherry-picking of conditions there. I notice that you didn't list Anorexia Nervosa (71.20%) but listed obesity. Psst, ADHD is actually pretty serious in terms of its impact on someone's life and depression can kill.

Utter tosh. I don't know any single person who successfully claims PIP and who has just one condition that they are claiming for. The statistics although on the face of it are correct are slanted by the fact that they could all be 2nd, 3rd or 4th down the list on conditions. All statistic can be manipulated to say what you would to prove. I hate the fact that people who aren't in need of assistance can easily sit back and complain about the people who are in desperate need of the help.

Here's hoping you never need the help because it might not be available for you by then.

FYI I claim PIP and I don't have any of the 6 listed conditions.

Well you could say that about anything couldn’t you?

drug-dealing, criminal activity
Well that (crimes) will increase if benefits are cut even more than they already have been.

Also many people with substance issues genuinely aren't 'fit for work', and how many employers would hire them?

Often (not always) their substance issues stem from self medication after experiencing traumatic events.
If you want people in that situation to be well enough to work, they need access to effective support and help.

You say they refuse to engage with MH support services. Funding cuts mean those services are often pretty useless or almost non existent, and not in any way effective. Provision and quality of services also varies a lot depending where in the UK someone is.

So there's a need for better addiction, mental health, and social care services. In every area of the country. Which will cost money. Perhaps more than paying benefits, although morally it's the right thing to do.

Or the extremely abusive sex offender who has been housed, not expected to get a job
Would you want to employ that person or have them as your colleague?

I agree currently it seems like an unfair system. That sees paedophiles and other violent abusers often prioritised for social housing above many victims. Victims who are also suffering from PTSD (due to the crime they were victims of) and are unable to work and stuck in substandard housing including temporary accommodation (which makes them more unwell and impedes their ability to recover).

The problem is, when the crime is that serious there's a need to know where the offender is living. I guess some people could argue they should remain in prison. It's a difficult debate and not one I know the answer to. However, definitely there should be more social housing, so other people including but not only victims of crime, have decent housing.

They are the main condition cited. Writer’s cramp.

From what I am told, no it is not@Miley1967 . The machine, face masks, and normal hoses are supplied, by the NHS.

Well that (crimes) will increase if benefits are cut

I won’t negotiate with terrorists, as the saying goes.

For initial PIP decisions following an assessment during the period October 2018 to September 2023: there were 3.0 million initial decisions following a PIP assessment, and 56% were awarded PIP

He didn't pay IHT. His trust uses the same tax avoidance schemes as Top Shop and Nissan and all the other big companies to hide money from the taxman by sending it through the Channel Islands/Caymans/Isle of Man/etc.

With the socially anxious young people. Again addressing that requires spending money. On good and effective MH and social care services.

Also on job, education, and training opportunities. That cater for different needs and abilities. This includes encouraging employers to hire people they might not ordinarily consider.

Perhaps this will cost more than the cost of giving them benefits, but it's morally the right thing to provide decent support.

Where does it list writer's cramp as "main" condition? It's nowhere near the top six by percentage of claims approved.

Please see the link.

But my point is that isn't all the claimant is claiming for. A person claiming they have writers cramp could be a double amputee with heart failure, COPD, depression, arthritis and writers cramp. The fact that the claimant wrote down writers cramp on their form doesn't mean they are being assigned points for it.

He doesn’t have 10 billion sat in the bank. He has 10 billion of land which is primarily farm land. To pay 40% IHT he would have to sell much of it, resulting in tenant farmers being kicked out, a huge dent in our already small food production, and the land likely sold to some Saudi billionaire or oligarch who wants our food production to wane. Do you want that to happen?

The link doesn't stipulate anywhere that those conditions listed and the primary or singularly claim for condition. Come on.....think about it.

The DWP record every successful PIP claim under one of over 500 different health conditions, depending on which one they think is your main source of points. The table below shows what percentage of claims for each condition are successful

So why would writers cramp be cited as the main source of points over their COPD and heart failure?

I can see the link.

I can see a huge table of conditions, many many of which have a far higher PIP claim approval rate than writer's cramp. Yet you picked a list of six conditions, one of which is WC, and claimed that these were "the top six".

Literally nobody should get benefits for writers cramp.

I agree with most of that - but then I would, having had a husband who was addicted to alcohol.

And so I would be in favour of living in a society where people like this do not need PIP, because 1) there is prevention in place at the point where they are born, possibly into that chaotic family, 2) there are well funded mental health services which can be accessed quickly and easily in the early stages when a problem emerges, 3) there are joined up systems for schools and healthcare and social care to collaborate, and 3) rehab is available and affordable.

Just taking their PIP away doesn't solve anything.

This is very much my situation with my just turned 18 year old daughter. Been under CAMHS for many years. Keeps getting put back onto lists. Last visit with her medication provider next week then shoved into the adult mental health services. She needs similar things to your dd. My heart breaks for her as she's just languishing in this awful system.