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A thread to ask about cultural stuff you should know

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OneFrenchEgg · 13/06/2024 21:48

Ok so there's loads of stuff other people know and stuff I know.
Where do I start with Noam Chomsky and why? Is he left wing? Why is he so relevant?

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Elleherd · 20/06/2024 17:20

HarpQuartet · 20/06/2024 13:18

Would anyone like to help me out with some Russian history? The names that come to mind are Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky and Brezhnev.

Another huge one! So much more than this! Starting point:
most USSR leaders got there by becoming the head of the Soviet Union’s Communist Party.

Vladimir Lenin 1922-1924 founded the Russian Communist Party consequently becoming 1st Soviet head of state.
There's been strikes and uprisings going on since 1905. Serfs had had enough, country poorly run. Come WW1, following the February Revolution, Czar Nicolas abdicates, brother Michael refuses the crown. A temporary government trys to keep things working.
Lenin - leader of the Bolshevik revolutionary party, exiled in Switzerland, legs it back (across the German lines) to help lead the October Revolution that brings a new Soviet government. Russian Empire ends 1917,
The revolution sparks Russian Civil War. Lenin’s Red Army win. In 1922 a treaty is signed with Ukraine, Belarus and Transcaucasia ( includes Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia) to form the Soviet Union, or USSR.
(later becomes 15 republics of 130 ethnic groups over 11 time zones, guaranteed rights of national territories, native-language schools and cultural organizations but socialist values and practices.)
That year, Lenin's health starts failing A bullet stuck in his neck since 1918 was removed but he went downhill, then a fatal stroke in Jan, 1924, age 53.
He'd wanted workers and peasants to have political power and rights, but hadn't achieved it when he died.

Joseph Stalin 1924-1953 was in the 1917 October Revolution and in 1922 he became secretary general of the Communist Party’s Central Committee (held till he died 1953)
Lenin disliked Stalin trying unsuccessfully to remove him. Most thought Leon Trotsky, also part of the October Revolution would take over from Lenin.
Stalin disliked Trotsky, and Stalin, Zinovyev, Kamenev took over together..
In1920s, Stalin pushed Zinovyev and Kamenev out, created a dictatorship and exiled Trotsky. In the 1930s, he started the Great Purge, and killed off rivals.. Zinovyev and Kamenev, put through a show trial, tortured into false confessions and shot. In 1936, an absent Trotsky was sentenced to death, and in 1940 was living in and killed in Mexico City, with an ice pick in the head by a Soviet agent.

WW2 an alliance of sorts formed with U.S. (Roosevelt) and U.K. (Churchill) and Soviet troops helped liberate Nazi concentration camps. The spoils and displaced people's fate were decided on at the Yalta Agreement in 1947. Goes awry, starting a cold war against USSR. March 1953, Stalin dies from brain hemorrhage.

Georgy Malenkov 1953-1953 took over the next day. He'd helped Stalin with the Great Purge. But a few weeks later Nikita Khrushchev who'd joined the CP in 1918, politically outmaneuvered Malenkov sliding himself and allies into key positions and creating a new structure: the five-man Secretariat.
Although he held 'titles' Malenkov had no actual power by the end of the year. In 1955, Khruschev officially became president.

Nikita Khrushchev 1953-1964 became 1st secretary of the CP (actually more powerful) and, in 1958, its leader.
He sought de-Stalinization and better international relations. But when the CIA tried to overthrow Cuba's Fidel Castro, and the Cuban Missile Crisis, US and SU came close to nuclear war. He and Kennedy actually both pulled back but in 1964, Leonid Brezhnev and his allies pushed him out.

Leonid Brezhnev 1964-1982 was 10 in 1917, joined the CP youth as a teen and was a soldier in WWII.
He was 2nd secretary when Khrushchev was pushed out and became 1st secretary and SU leader. (In '66 1st sec was changed to general secretary).
Brezhnev led detente from '67 to '79 easing the Cold War creating better trade with Us, and US allies. But brought in policy that USSR should intervene wherever socialist or communist rule was threatened, leading to SU Afghan invasion in '79 ending détente. Brezhnev had a fatal heart attack in Nov. '82.

You then get Yuri Andropov 1982-1984 head of the KGB '67 to '82. left KGB to become general secretary 2 days after Brezhnev died. Strained relationship with Reagan. 1983 kidneys started failing, dies '84.

So you get Konstantin Chernenko 1984-1985 who'd failed to succeed Brezhnev in '82. He had emphysema and died a year later.

Leading to Mikhail Gorbachev, who brought in perestroika and glasnost but was struggling to change and hold a modern SU together.
Yeltsin on the rise in the background wanted dissolution, and won high popularity in '89, and resigned from the CP. Yeltsin fought against a military coup against Gorbachev but started dismantling the CP. All the (by now 15) SU republics made grabs for independence. Gorbachev resigned Xmas day (UK) '91.

Yeltsin was a very mixed bag, bringing in Capitalism, and many elements of Neoliberalism, but a lot of previously banned freedoms. Drank too much, accepted perks that he'd previously criticized. Survived impeachment, disbanded a mainly communist- parliament in 93 and called for elections, but when it didn't go down well had tanks shell parliament. '94 Yeltsin sent troops in against Chechnya, killing 80,000 mostly civilians. '95-98 several heart attacks and another impeachment attempt, went through several presidents. Ruble collapsed and Russia couldn't pay its bills, but rising oil prices saved it.
New Years eve 1999, Yeltsin unexpectedly resigned asking the people forgiveness for some of his extremes. Handed power to Vladimir Putin, his last prime minister, who granted Yeltsin immunity from prosecution, and headed Russia back to centralization of authority and restriction, and quite possibly a new version of USSR.

ElectiveAffinities · 20/06/2024 17:23

LaMarschallin · 20/06/2024 17:19

ElectiveAffinities

It really started with an English novelist, Elinor Glyn, who wrote scandalously sensational books and screenplays for Hollywood.

Would you like to sin with Elinor Glyn on a tiger skin?
Or would you prefer to err with her on some other fur?

I dithered over whether to add that but I thought I’d gone on for long enough! 😂

Zonder · 20/06/2024 17:27

EBearhug · 20/06/2024 15:25

I'd have thought Keynes the man/family would be more likely to have been named for the place than vice versa, or possibly descended from the original de Cahaignes family after which the village was named.

That would be amazing given that Keynes the man died before MK was built.

HarpQuartet · 20/06/2024 17:35

@Elleherd wowee! Did you just know all of that in your head?! I knew I was missing someone in my original question, and that was Khruschev, so thank you for scratching that brain itch AND for that potted history! I once read a book where a character mentioned in passing that she could never remember whether the Greeks or the Romans came first. Well I'm like that with Lenin and Stalin, and much more.

Elleherd · 20/06/2024 17:52

I know quite a lot of it in my head (home edding family, and they all like history) but always have to look up dates after the 1920's and Malenkov and Chernenko's names because I always forget them, and how to lay it out so it makes a continuous line for people to relate and understand the beginning and end of communism and make sense of how it evolved and people got pushed out or engineered themselves into positions were they couldn't be, and the big hitters in it.

AnnaMagnani · 20/06/2024 19:22

Karlmayforpresident · 20/06/2024 15:31

Post modernism always confuses me. How can it be post if it’s already modern 🤷🏻‍♂️

For me this depends on what you mean by the word 'modern'

Are you thinking of what is happening now in 2024?
Or are you thinking of a specific time period and artistic movement happening in the early 20th century?

If you have called a particular set of beliefs at a particular time 'Modernism' what are you going to call the thing that comes after it? 'After-Modernism' is a pretty obvious solution.

Separating in my head what I might call modern in day-to-day speech eg a new iPad and what I'd mean by 'Modern' in art speech helps. Modern art is over 100 years old now, it's not exactly modern any more but it's called Modern as it relates to that time and movement.

Am also finding if you write the word modern over and over it starts to look v odd.

EBearhug · 20/06/2024 20:43

Zonder · 20/06/2024 17:27

That would be amazing given that Keynes the man died before MK was built.

The new town yes, but there was a village of Milton Keynes from centuries before, as discussed upthread, named after a Norman family.

Karlmayforpresident · 20/06/2024 21:02

@AnnaMagnani that makes sense actually !

AnnaMagnani · 20/06/2024 22:25

@Karlmayforpresident thanks!

Zonder · 21/06/2024 06:57

EBearhug · 20/06/2024 20:43

The new town yes, but there was a village of Milton Keynes from centuries before, as discussed upthread, named after a Norman family.

Good point. And definitely still not named after the economists.

Ginandpangolins · 21/06/2024 08:02

Elleherd · 20/06/2024 17:20

Another huge one! So much more than this! Starting point:
most USSR leaders got there by becoming the head of the Soviet Union’s Communist Party.

Vladimir Lenin 1922-1924 founded the Russian Communist Party consequently becoming 1st Soviet head of state.
There's been strikes and uprisings going on since 1905. Serfs had had enough, country poorly run. Come WW1, following the February Revolution, Czar Nicolas abdicates, brother Michael refuses the crown. A temporary government trys to keep things working.
Lenin - leader of the Bolshevik revolutionary party, exiled in Switzerland, legs it back (across the German lines) to help lead the October Revolution that brings a new Soviet government. Russian Empire ends 1917,
The revolution sparks Russian Civil War. Lenin’s Red Army win. In 1922 a treaty is signed with Ukraine, Belarus and Transcaucasia ( includes Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia) to form the Soviet Union, or USSR.
(later becomes 15 republics of 130 ethnic groups over 11 time zones, guaranteed rights of national territories, native-language schools and cultural organizations but socialist values and practices.)
That year, Lenin's health starts failing A bullet stuck in his neck since 1918 was removed but he went downhill, then a fatal stroke in Jan, 1924, age 53.
He'd wanted workers and peasants to have political power and rights, but hadn't achieved it when he died.

Joseph Stalin 1924-1953 was in the 1917 October Revolution and in 1922 he became secretary general of the Communist Party’s Central Committee (held till he died 1953)
Lenin disliked Stalin trying unsuccessfully to remove him. Most thought Leon Trotsky, also part of the October Revolution would take over from Lenin.
Stalin disliked Trotsky, and Stalin, Zinovyev, Kamenev took over together..
In1920s, Stalin pushed Zinovyev and Kamenev out, created a dictatorship and exiled Trotsky. In the 1930s, he started the Great Purge, and killed off rivals.. Zinovyev and Kamenev, put through a show trial, tortured into false confessions and shot. In 1936, an absent Trotsky was sentenced to death, and in 1940 was living in and killed in Mexico City, with an ice pick in the head by a Soviet agent.

WW2 an alliance of sorts formed with U.S. (Roosevelt) and U.K. (Churchill) and Soviet troops helped liberate Nazi concentration camps. The spoils and displaced people's fate were decided on at the Yalta Agreement in 1947. Goes awry, starting a cold war against USSR. March 1953, Stalin dies from brain hemorrhage.

Georgy Malenkov 1953-1953 took over the next day. He'd helped Stalin with the Great Purge. But a few weeks later Nikita Khrushchev who'd joined the CP in 1918, politically outmaneuvered Malenkov sliding himself and allies into key positions and creating a new structure: the five-man Secretariat.
Although he held 'titles' Malenkov had no actual power by the end of the year. In 1955, Khruschev officially became president.

Nikita Khrushchev 1953-1964 became 1st secretary of the CP (actually more powerful) and, in 1958, its leader.
He sought de-Stalinization and better international relations. But when the CIA tried to overthrow Cuba's Fidel Castro, and the Cuban Missile Crisis, US and SU came close to nuclear war. He and Kennedy actually both pulled back but in 1964, Leonid Brezhnev and his allies pushed him out.

Leonid Brezhnev 1964-1982 was 10 in 1917, joined the CP youth as a teen and was a soldier in WWII.
He was 2nd secretary when Khrushchev was pushed out and became 1st secretary and SU leader. (In '66 1st sec was changed to general secretary).
Brezhnev led detente from '67 to '79 easing the Cold War creating better trade with Us, and US allies. But brought in policy that USSR should intervene wherever socialist or communist rule was threatened, leading to SU Afghan invasion in '79 ending détente. Brezhnev had a fatal heart attack in Nov. '82.

You then get Yuri Andropov 1982-1984 head of the KGB '67 to '82. left KGB to become general secretary 2 days after Brezhnev died. Strained relationship with Reagan. 1983 kidneys started failing, dies '84.

So you get Konstantin Chernenko 1984-1985 who'd failed to succeed Brezhnev in '82. He had emphysema and died a year later.

Leading to Mikhail Gorbachev, who brought in perestroika and glasnost but was struggling to change and hold a modern SU together.
Yeltsin on the rise in the background wanted dissolution, and won high popularity in '89, and resigned from the CP. Yeltsin fought against a military coup against Gorbachev but started dismantling the CP. All the (by now 15) SU republics made grabs for independence. Gorbachev resigned Xmas day (UK) '91.

Yeltsin was a very mixed bag, bringing in Capitalism, and many elements of Neoliberalism, but a lot of previously banned freedoms. Drank too much, accepted perks that he'd previously criticized. Survived impeachment, disbanded a mainly communist- parliament in 93 and called for elections, but when it didn't go down well had tanks shell parliament. '94 Yeltsin sent troops in against Chechnya, killing 80,000 mostly civilians. '95-98 several heart attacks and another impeachment attempt, went through several presidents. Ruble collapsed and Russia couldn't pay its bills, but rising oil prices saved it.
New Years eve 1999, Yeltsin unexpectedly resigned asking the people forgiveness for some of his extremes. Handed power to Vladimir Putin, his last prime minister, who granted Yeltsin immunity from prosecution, and headed Russia back to centralization of authority and restriction, and quite possibly a new version of USSR.

This is amazing. Thank you!

Ormally · 21/06/2024 20:41

ElectiveAffinities · 20/06/2024 17:13

@givemushypeasachance ’It’ girls is still a term today I think, but it really started with an English novelist, Elinor Glyn, who wrote scandalously sensational books and screenplays for Hollywood. The term was around before she wrote her novel Three Weeks in 1907 but she defined it (or didn’t define it) thus:

’With It, you win all men if you are a woman and all women if you are a man. It can be a quality of the mind as well as a physical attraction.’

The novel was filmed in 1927 with Clara Bow as the girl with the titular IT.

Nowadays I’d say it’s more upper class moneyed posh girls about town who are called ‘It girls’.

That's pretty cool. I thought it was based in the French phrase 'je ne sais quoi', rendered in those days as 'the certain something', about allure - i.e. having 'It' as a quality that attracts. 'What', is still indefinable.

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