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A thread to ask about cultural stuff you should know

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OneFrenchEgg · 13/06/2024 21:48

Ok so there's loads of stuff other people know and stuff I know.
Where do I start with Noam Chomsky and why? Is he left wing? Why is he so relevant?

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Donotneedit · 15/06/2024 11:15

OneFrenchEgg · 14/06/2024 10:27

Thank you! I thought maybe we could ask questions and have them answered because Google just brings up far too much!
Interesting the language thing. I've seen a lot of his stuff referenced online by people.

Great to be asking these questions and always good to consider the quality of your information

You can do short online courses on critical thinking which can be invaluable for trying to sift through and make sense of the massive amount of information available and how to assess the quality of it (from social media to journalists, politicians to accedemics- who can we trust to explain the world to us?)

https://courses.lumenlearning.com/suny-fmcc-researchsuccess/chapter/thinking-critically-about-sources/

Btw chomsky is considered by many (not just guardian readers) as the worlds greatest living intellectual and some of the responses above come across as perhaps a little bit hilariously misinformed

Thinking Critically About Sources | Choosing & Using Sources: A Guide to Academic Research

https://courses.lumenlearning.com/suny-fmcc-researchsuccess/chapter/thinking-critically-about-sources/

CherryBlo · 15/06/2024 11:17

Moliere wrote comédie-ballets in the mid-late 1600s, which were almost like a musical. Plays that also incorporated singing (like opera) and dance (like ballet). An example is Le Bourgeois Gentilhomme.

SheilaFentiman · 15/06/2024 11:27

Thank you, ballet/opera lovers!

I suppose “it’s a royal knockout” is a parallel to royal dancing, but not a dignified one 😀

Maybe Mel and Sue could run “The Great Royal Bake-off”

MadameMassiveSalad · 15/06/2024 11:28

“Everyone’s worried about stopping terrorism. Well, there’s really an easy way: Stop participating in it.”

NC

MadameMassiveSalad · 15/06/2024 11:30

“The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum.”

Barbadossunset · 15/06/2024 11:31

MadameMassiveSalad · 15/06/2024 11:30

“The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum.”

That’s interesting. Who said that?

Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 15/06/2024 11:31

Re Chomsky I know two very important things about him. One, in the movie Captain Fantastic, the family worship Chomsky and do not believe in birthdays but instead celebrate Naom Chomksy day. They are living off grid and are anti establishment in US and study left wing philosophies. (Excellent thought provoking movie, with a silly misleading name). Second, I saw a documentary about people trying to teach monkeys to speak and their main subject was called Naom Chimpsky. That's my cultural contribution, you are welcome.

Toosweetfan · 15/06/2024 11:33

AlisonDonut · 15/06/2024 09:00

In very simple terms, half of Northern Ireland wanted to unite with Southern Ireland and half wanted to unite with Great Britain and be part of the UK. This was split between Catholic and Protestant lines. There had been decades of violence between them which the GFA ended.

Putting a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland risked the Good Friday Agreement which had managed to forge a peaceful union between the two, as it meant an even more stark separation because UK is now not in the EU whereas Ireland is still in the EU.

I don't mean to be mean, or pernickety or disrespectful, but as this thread is about cultural stuff people should know...

There is no country or state called Southern Ireland.

The part of the island of Ireland that is not Northern Ireland (NI) is offically called Ireland.
Sometimes it's referred to as the Republic of Ireland (ROI) and that can be especially useful in conversations involving ROI, NI and the island.

We understand why it happens - if one part is Northern Ireland then logically the rest should be Southern? Except that NI is actually the North East and the most northerly point on the island is in ROI.

Just to note too that some people in NI don't like using Ireland for the name of the state for political reasons. Some don't like or use the name Northern Ireland either.

Anyway.
Irish people generally don't like people saying Southern Ireland simply because it's not the country's name. It's as if people renamed England as Western England and then said things like " I'm going to Norfolk next week, it's in Western England ".

That sort of thing happens to us all the time 😅

AlisonDonut · 15/06/2024 11:39

Toosweetfan · 15/06/2024 11:33

I don't mean to be mean, or pernickety or disrespectful, but as this thread is about cultural stuff people should know...

There is no country or state called Southern Ireland.

The part of the island of Ireland that is not Northern Ireland (NI) is offically called Ireland.
Sometimes it's referred to as the Republic of Ireland (ROI) and that can be especially useful in conversations involving ROI, NI and the island.

We understand why it happens - if one part is Northern Ireland then logically the rest should be Southern? Except that NI is actually the North East and the most northerly point on the island is in ROI.

Just to note too that some people in NI don't like using Ireland for the name of the state for political reasons. Some don't like or use the name Northern Ireland either.

Anyway.
Irish people generally don't like people saying Southern Ireland simply because it's not the country's name. It's as if people renamed England as Western England and then said things like " I'm going to Norfolk next week, it's in Western England ".

That sort of thing happens to us all the time 😅

Edited

I know, no matter what you say someone will say it is wrong so was trying to be really clear to the person who asked for it in two sentences.

AnnaMagnani · 15/06/2024 11:41

Is there such a thing as 'greatest living intellectual?'

Or was there ever. The people usually mentioned have broken out of academia to be newspaper columnists or pundits on late night BBC2. Am sure there were always more talented people who just didn't want to do this.

And nowadays we don't value this at all in the UK.

DId enjoy watching interviews with previous 'greatest living intellectuals' on Youtube. But unfortunately I am shallow so my main memory is realising how accurately Bertrand Russell was immortalised as Professor Yaffle on Bagpuss.

Elleherd · 15/06/2024 11:45

There's can be a lot of disagreement of the exact definition of Neoliberalism.
A starting point:

The underlying idea is each individual is fundamentally a piece of capital, that can be developed, utilized and absorbed similar to all capital. So in other words ‘commodification.’ This leads onto concepts of net contributors and net beneficiaries, based on how much tax an individual is able to pay vs how much public expenditure they use.

So once you are dealing with a commodity, markets are considerably better than governments at both creating and allocating resources.
So a free market, competing against each other on price and availability, is preferable to one with rules about how things are produced.
Deregulation allows businesses to be more profitable and improves their ability to run those businesses.
The structures supplying goods, services, and people should preferably be privately owned, as the private sector is considered more efficient at running businesses.

Globalization leads to more investment and trade. If there is freedom of movement of capital between different locations, economic growth is expected to follow along with cheaper, better, access to resources.

The handmaidens of globalization are 'just in time production' and 'just in time delivery.'
These lead to what is called 'flexible accumulation' which requires flexible workers who don't need to be paid all the time, leading to 'temps' commonality of 'zero hours contracts' and self employed and 'arms reach' contractors.
The management of the economy should prioritize reducing inflation over unemployment.

Public expenditure should be reduced and taxes kept low by ensuring the costs of public services are met by those using them.
In turn reduction of concepts of 'society' or 'public good', following the concept that people are generally more motivated to work towards their own and their families well being than that of society, once given permission to do so. (Thatchers 'no such thing as society' "... I am homeless, the Government must house me!’ and so they are casting their problems on society and who is society? There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and there are families and no government can do anything except through people and people look to themselves first.")
In line with reduced public expenditure, welfare and benefits should provide only basic levels of assistance against unemployment, ill-health, disability or poverty in old age.
A neoliberal welfare state focuses on "getting people to internalize market logic and accept personal responsibility for the need to find whatever means, however limited, to get by in the changing economy” (Sanford Schram)

From the end of the 70s on, most major western countries produced policies based on these ideas to larger or smaller extents, some more or less obvious or with more softeners than others. The main intergovernmental organizations such as the OECD, the IMF, the World Bank also adopted them affecting many developing countries.

HTH anyone trying to understand the 'why' of a lot of stuff.

Natsku · 15/06/2024 11:46

Interesting thread OP, thanks for starting it. Just wish I could think of a question to ask now but my mind has gone blank!

ThrowawayUserName1 · 15/06/2024 11:48

@AnnaMagnani
The Romans are massively into religion and very superstitious so collect gods from everywhere they go.

My take is that the Romans really didn't care much about what God you worshipped, as long as you also "worshipped" Rome. They were very successful in conquering and assimilating new lands, because they didn't try to impose culture on the locals - "carry on as you are, keep your rituals, but here are some nice togas to wear if you want to look good, and we can give you underfloor heating, just don't say anything impolite about the emperor".

Quite the opposite of the Americans whose main priority is to impose their culture wherever they invade.

The problem the Romans had with the Jewish tribe was that the Jews refused to accept any other Gods, didn't accept the divinity of the emperor, and wouldn't assimilate. Hence the Jewish temple being destroyed and the Jews kicked out.

You have to have a grasp of 2000 years of history to make sense of the current Israel/Gaza conflict.

stronglatte · 15/06/2024 11:50

This is brilliant

Elleherd · 15/06/2024 11:51

Barbadossunset · 15/06/2024 11:31

That’s interesting. Who said that?

Chomsky. Possibly from 'The Common Good' in the late 90's.

AnnaMagnani · 15/06/2024 11:53

I think so too @ThrowawayUserName1

Wherever they go they pick up all the local gods and just add them on to their own. It's clearly a risk to say a river god in distant Northumbria doesn't exist, he might be upset, so we'll just add him on.

The temples in the Forum come over as state religions for the aristocracy. But in your own home, your family gods are more important. And if you need anything you can pick from a vast smorgasbord of candidates who might help you out.

They are also big into new trends so when they go to Egypt they pick up Isis as her worship is new and interesting.

Being monotheistic is a complete puzzle to them and very disrespectful.

InSpainTheRain · 15/06/2024 11:53

Just go to wikipedia and look for what you're interested in. That will narrow it down from a Google search.

Toosweetfan · 15/06/2024 11:53

AlisonDonut · 15/06/2024 11:39

I know, no matter what you say someone will say it is wrong so was trying to be really clear to the person who asked for it in two sentences.

Republic of Ireland avoids confusion and is very widely used and accepted so it would be the best choice in those circumstances I'd say.
I'd always say Ireland if asked where I'm from but would still use the term ROI in similar circumstances to the above.

Using Southern Ireland can cause confusion and sometimes offence here.
( I'm not offended but just wanted to let you know.)

AlisonDonut · 15/06/2024 11:56

Toosweetfan · 15/06/2024 11:53

Republic of Ireland avoids confusion and is very widely used and accepted so it would be the best choice in those circumstances I'd say.
I'd always say Ireland if asked where I'm from but would still use the term ROI in similar circumstances to the above.

Using Southern Ireland can cause confusion and sometimes offence here.
( I'm not offended but just wanted to let you know.)

As I said, I know. But you can of course just provide an answer yourself!

AlisonDonut · 15/06/2024 11:57

InSpainTheRain · 15/06/2024 11:53

Just go to wikipedia and look for what you're interested in. That will narrow it down from a Google search.

Unfortunately WIkipedia is unreliable, tainted, and is easily manipulated and contains so many errors that even the inventor tells people not to use it.

Toosweetfan · 15/06/2024 12:01

AlisonDonut · 15/06/2024 11:56

As I said, I know. But you can of course just provide an answer yourself!

Okay.
The thing is, you don't appear to know if you think the term Southern Ireland a better choice than Republic of Ireland.

Anyway, I'll leave it at that.
Maybe someone else on the thread will find the information useful.

MarthaDunstable · 15/06/2024 12:09

AlisonDonut · 15/06/2024 11:57

Unfortunately WIkipedia is unreliable, tainted, and is easily manipulated and contains so many errors that even the inventor tells people not to use it.

If you're reading up on something genuinely controversial on Wikipedia then it's often useful to flick through the Talk page to see what the background debate is.

But it would be ludicrous to say never use it. For factual topics where you don't have prior expertise and hence don't know which sources to go to it's unequalled as a resource to give you a basic, 99% accurate resource.

If I was walking across a suspension bridge and thinking "I haven't seen a bridge quite like this, what's it called?, who invented it? how does it work?" then Wikipedia will answer those questions flawlessly, quickly, in an easy to navigate way without me having to spend five minutes disabling cookies and negotiating adverts.

If I was an engineering student and someone asked me to write a paper on those bridges I might use Wikipedia as a starting point to give me an overview before researching in trusted sources for the actual paper.

If I were an architect and someone asked me to design the bridge and do the calculations on safety, then I wouldn't get the formulae from Wikipedia.

ThrowawayUserName1 · 15/06/2024 12:19

Things I know:
Quite a bit about the main strands of history, especially English but also a sense of world history.
Quite a bit of geography - where places are, what it is like there, why and how people live there
Quite a bit of science - astronomy, the principles of physics, ecology,
Quite a bit about pop music in the 20th C.
A smattering of philosophy and the history of ideas
Lots of Shakespeare
Some gardening

Things I no nothing about:
Sport - all sports
Cooking (except I know the basic nutrient groups and what foods they are in - protein, fibre, etc.)
Modern fashion trends and hair care products
Opera and ballet
Art
Wine and coffee
Fixing cars
And lots and lots of stuff I don't even know I don't know.

It strikes me that the valued "cultural" knowledge is very much skewed to the academic, historical, artistic, and literary.
Knowing this stuff means you can show off a "good" education, and have an in-depth abstract conversation, but you will have to pay someone to do a lot of the practical stuff for you.

ThrowawayUserName1 · 15/06/2024 12:22

AlisonDonut · 15/06/2024 11:57

Unfortunately WIkipedia is unreliable, tainted, and is easily manipulated and contains so many errors that even the inventor tells people not to use it.

On the other hand, if you want a quick overview of a non-contentious subject, such as who was Theodore Roosevelt, or a bit about the life of Henry II, or what is a diamond made of, or where is Cameroon, it is absolutely brilliant.

AnnaMagnani · 15/06/2024 12:31

The thing about opera, ballet and art is that you can enjoy them on multiple different levels.

Dh is opera obsessed. When we started dating, I did know a bit but nowhere in his league.

After a performance he'd ask the dreaded question 'what did you think?' And I think for at least a year I blagged an answer on the basis of whether I'd liked the costumes.

But he doesn't know a thing about fashion or costumes so this actually left me quite a lot to say about whether I thought they represented the characters, whether they had added or detracted, what I thought of the theme chosen and so on. Or just whether they were pretty.

While he would talk about quality of singers and the orchestra, things I still don't know anything about.

You can like operas that are a big spectacle, operas that aren't, particular singers, composers or directors, particular venues, seeing something new, operas from particular time periods, operetta - basically more like a 19th century musical with lots of jokes and sex, seeing old favourites and so on. Nobody ever knows everything about opera.

Same principles apply to ballet and art. I know a reasonable bit about some types of art and practically nothing about others.