Thread 3 - Michael Mosley missing after disappearing on holiday walk

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Continuing

Yeah, exactly this. I haven't been posting here much about this news this last few days, (have been very busy!) but I am quite interested and intrigued and quite worried about him, (and a little bit upset about it all, as I do like Michael!)

So I have been catching up on the threads a bit today. And I see absolutely nothing wrong with people being interested, and speculating, and talking about it, and discussing it.

He's a celebrity and people are interested in what is going on.

What I do find weird is people coming on here to finger point and scold people for discussing it. Calling them grief vultures and ghouls and whatever, and even calling them weirdos, and freaks, and calling them 'sick,' (and mocking and berating people.)

Do they not see the spectacular irony here?! They're parping on about people going on and on about Michael Moseley and how ridiculous it all is - discussing and speculating. And yet they keep constantly coming onto these threads to say how ridiculous people are to talk about him. Can they not see how ridiculous THEY are being?

If you're not interested in this thread - or the story, then why even click on the thread? Just so you can have a go at people, and make yourself feel good? Do you feel superior slating and berating people and insulting them? (Hint: you're NOT superior!)

Unlikely he's alive, but hopefully against the odds he's found

What a bizarre response! But a perfect illustration of what I was referring to, so thank you for that!

I disagree, I’ve thought of him and his family multiple times over the last few days and felt sad for them. Along with a teenage local victim of crime who died a couple of days ago and other items on the news. I’ve felt upset for their loved ones and worried about the world and other human emotions. It’s just compassion. And humans often are affected by the stories of people they don’t know personally - without that pretty much every charity would be defunct.

Having known a family go through something similar, I know how much the speculation and other crap written on social media upset them at the time and still does to this day, as it’s all still there. Their situation didn’t have a good outcome and they are dealing with that to this day, and always will be. You lot won’t be. You’ll forget and move on. When another families situation arises, you’ll do the same again.

I know that other families our friends spoke to had also found it upsetting. Imagine having something traumatic happen in your life, and being thrust into the media, with random people commenting on every aspect of your life, pulling it apart. It’s horrendous.

It made things worse for our friends, they believe that as well as seeing the best of humanity in those that actually helped them, they also saw the worst of humanity with people speculating. They are not only damaged by their loss, but also by seeing how low people acted.

I do think people are largely genuinely concerned for his welfare though. Like it or not people are going to discuss this as it's a big event in the news at the moment. Like a previous poster commented you don't always have to know someone to feel that they touched your life in some way.

You’re quite the hypocrite, aren’t you? You make baseless assertions, just like you accuse other people of doing. What basis do you have for calling me a disgusting and sickening human being, when you don’t even know me? It’s quite an unhinged reaction to a pretty innocuous post.

I see John Tossell’s son has commented on the similarities with his father’s disappearance.

It must be a weird time for them as well - there must be an element of hoping that all the searching turns up something relevant to them. That would only be natural I think.

It really doesn't

“You lot”???? That’s quite the generalisation.

I’m sorry about what your friends went through.

Several pages back, in response to a snarky comment from @Sunnyandsilly I said that I’d been through similar (a long time ago), with a loved one in the news and on SM. They turned up, but there was a lot of speculation, some of it harsh.

But that’s the way of the world these days. I knew I had a choice to go looking for it and then to read it.

Here what is posted is up to MNHQ, not you. By all means refer your objections to them. But bear in mind that if they allow comments that you don’t like, you posting to scold people isn’t going to change that.

Ironically, despite apparently coming from the angle of thinking of the family and scolding people for their posts, when I told @Sunnyandsilly about the above scenario , they they just scolded me some more purely for not agreeing with them that a certain post was insensitive. They neglected to sympathise about my family situation, despite it being similar to MM’s. Very empathetic

@WriterOfWrongs

Just because mumsnet doesn’t delete things, doesn’t mean the content of some posts won’t be upsetting for families going through these things.

Mumsnet do say that it’s ok to challenge people’s views and I hope some people think more about what they post, knowing how many families feel about it when they’ve actually lived through it. Posting to ‘scold’ people as you describe it, actually does make some people think. To those it doesn’t, they’re a lost cause and should be ashamed.

I’m sorry that you went through something similar with a loved one and pleased that there was a positive outcome in your case.

No it doesn’t. Sounds exactly like something my DH might do. He could easily decide to walk back to his villa as he didn’t want to wait for a taxi and/or the bus. He also could easily decide to not take his phone because he wanted to take a break from it or because he just forgot it (which he does fairly often). And he is very stoical and has a just get on with things mindset, not wanting to bother or rely on others, which can lead him to not do sensible things like stop and rest when it’s really hot or ask for help. In fact the more he’s not doing great, he will resort to, “I just need to work harder and press on and put more effort in” I often have to remind him to stop and rest and look after himself. He also is known to accidentally take a wrong path when out on a walk. People are all different have different strengths, weaknesses and personality traits that might lead them to make different decisions. Doesn’t mean they are mentally ill ffs.

'Last night, sources told The Mail on Sunday Dr Bailey had been called in again to give rescuers further details about what her husband had with him when he disappeared.

An official said: 'It's been four days and no trace has been found of him so it was just to go over things again.

'She explained he was wearing a khaki backpack and had his wallet, bottle of water and a watch, which was not a smart watch.''

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13509461/michael-mosley-rescuers-cave-abyss-underwater-tunnel-system.html

I disagree.

They had to get on that boat regardless. That might have been the last boat of the day. They would have been stranded at that beach with all their beach equipment which would be hard to carry back.

they probably thought it’s best to get on the boat, as he may be home and if not they can get in their car and go look for him.

Usually marvelling at how bloody slow some able bodied adults walk.......

He's either deliberately gone missing or inexplicably taken a dangerous route. Either way I'm afraid he's almost certainly not alive

He walks fast for health reasons - it's one of his "just one things" https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/4dsz7y6GxTSZN7fBjjLT9WR/how-to-get-more-health-benefits-from-your-daily-walk

Yes my husband is exactly like this. I can see a very similar scenario .

👏👏👏👏

It sounds like they’re going back to the sea caves today as they believe MM could be trapped in them and unable to get out. After all the land searches and the lack of success, being in the caves would explain why he’s not been found by the drones and helicopters.

Let’s hope he’s found today.

The Mail is reporting he was last on Symi 8years ago but it seems he had visited before so perhaps this partially explains possible over confidence or a plan. Are these caves only accessible by swimming? He’d have to have swum with clothes, shoes, bag etc which seems unlikely otherwise I’m sure items would have been spotted by now had they been left.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13509461/michael-mosley-rescuers-cave-abyss-underwater-tunnel-system.html

Someone indulging in amateur tasteless sleuthing about someone they didn't know calling someone whose family has actually experienced wild internet speculation in similar circumstances a hypocrite takes you lot down to a level that even those of us who are aghast every single time you all go "yay, another high profile case for us to make maps and gossip about" wouldn't have predicted.

But I guess there are always new lows for people getting off on other people's grief.

Please please folks stop all the attack and nastiness. A man has gone missing, his family are devastated and it’s just not helping anyone.